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    Question Monthly Compound Interest with monthly withdrawal formula question

    Hi

    First, excel and calculating interest is not something I do often. In fact, I almost never do stuff like this. So please excuse my ignorance.

    I'm currently working on calculating compound interest on a monthly bases. After some time on google I finally got something working. I'm using this formula:
    Answer = BaseValue*(1 + Interest)^NumberOfMonths

    This translate to for example:
    313842.8377 = 100000*(1 + 0.10)^12


    How do I work say a 1000 withdrawal into that for every month? Working it out from month to month is easy, but how do I fit the -1000 into that formula... if it's even possible?

    Thanks in advance
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    Re: Monthly Compound Interest with monthly withdrawal formula question

    Quote Originally Posted by Nic_s View Post
    I'm using this formula:
    Answer = BaseValue*(1 + Interest)^NumberOfMonths
    This translate to for example:
    313842.8377 = 100000*(1 + 0.10)^12
    First, your title says that you want to calculate "monthly compound interest". But that formula calculates the "future value": principal plus compounded interest. The formula for compound interest only would be:

    =100000*(1 + 0.10)^12 - 100000

    Second, it is unlikely that that is the correct formula. If you are compounding monthly, the interest rate must be a monthly rate. I suspect that 0.10 (10%) is an annual rate.

    Typically, the (simple) annual rate is divided by 12 for monthly compounding periods. However, beware: sometimes the annual rate is stated as a compounded rate (usually called "yield"; sometimes calls APR, which stands for annual percentage rate -- confusing terminology!). In that case, the monthly rate would be (1+annualRate)^(1/12) - 1.

    Let's assume a simple annual rate. So the formula for just compound interest would be:

    =100000*(1 + 10%/12)^12 - 100000

    Quote Originally Posted by Nic_s View Post
    How do I work say a 1000 withdrawal into that for every month?
    It is much easier if you use the Excel financial functions. For your formula above (calculating interest only):

    =FV(10%/12, 12, 0, -100000) - 100000

    Note that Excel financial functions require signed amounts: opposite signs for inflows and outflows. It is arbitrary which sign (plus or minus) that we use for inflow. I choose based on convenience.

    To account for withdrawals:

    =FV(10%/12, 12, 1000, -100000) - 100000

    Note that that returns a negative number(!). That is because the monthly interest on 100,000 (about 833.33) is not sufficient to cover the withdrawal. In other words, your savings account has a reducing balance.

    PS.... We can calculate how many months before the account is reduced to zero:

    =NPER(10%/12, 1000, -100000)
    Last edited by joeu2004; 08-07-2017 at 01:29 PM. Reason: minor; remove "negative amortization" (wrong); PS

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    Re: Monthly Compound Interest with monthly withdrawal formula question

    Those values I used were just to show the example, not what I'm actually working with. I want to see how the investment would continue to grow even though there is a monthly withdrawal. So basically I want to see what it will look like in 3, 6, 12, or 24 months.

    The Excel Function is exactly what I need though. It's giving me the answers I was looking for.

    Thanks for the response. I've learned more than just the function.

    Regards
    Nick

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