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    A question about sorting by the date then time

    I am having issues when I sort dates, I am able to sort the dates but then the time associated with some dates are out of order. ideally, I would like the dates to be sorted and the times sorted as well. If you look at my example you'll see the dates are sorted but in the next column therte are times that are not sorted.

    Is there a way to sort the dates and time so both are sorted in order, I appreciate any and all help.

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    Highlight columns A and B > Data > Sort > Add Level > Make sure "My data has headers" is checked

    Sort by: Date > Sort On: Values > Order: Oldest to Newest
    Then by: Time > Sort On: Values > Order: Smallest to Largest

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    Thanks, that is what I thought but didn't know enough to change it before asking. If I have other data in other columns I would make sure I select all but just use the date and time to sort it all, correct?

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    That's correct. When sorting, make sure to select all of your data, then specify what to sort by.

    If that takes care of your original question, please select Thread Tools from the menu link above and mark this thread as SOLVED.

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    Quote Originally Posted by 63falcondude View Post
    Highlight columns A and B > Data > Sort > Add Level > Make sure "My data has headers" is checked

    Sort by: Date > Sort On: Values > Order: Oldest to Newest
    Then by: Time > Sort On: Values > Order: Smallest to Largest

    OK
    Last year at this time I posted this original thread asking for help with sorting an Excel spreadsheet by date and time. The problem was That in the date column the dates don't go in order but instead they go by numbers as in all the ones our first then two's etc. I will attach an example. I thought I had used your example and it was fixed but something happened and I lost the original and when I used a copy that wasn't sort I tried to sort with column A&B selected as you said in yoour reply. But I got a message saying it couldn't sort more than one column at a time.

    I know for a fact the original worksheet was sorting properly after you helped me but I can't seem to get the copy to sort by date and time.

    I am attaching an example that shows the dates and times, it is exactly how my worksheet is except I didn't include the personal info. I hope you can see how it is sorting the dates, it is sorting the numbers 1 then 2 then 3 etc. instead of the actual date in order with the earliest date first and ending with the last date.

    I had made notes on how I did it last time but I lost a folder that contained the original worksheet and the notes. When trying to use your example on the backup copy I am getting a message saying "the command you chose cannot be performed with multiply selections.Select a single range and click the command.

    I apoligize for losing the example and my original with notes on how to do it but I had a hard drive failure. I can't seem to get the date and time to sort in order of the earliest date and time to the last date and time.

    I would really appreciate if you could look at the example and see if you can help me figure this out once again. I will keep notes and backups of the notes this time !!
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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    Welcome back. The problem here is that the dates in column A are being seen as text.

    To sort these correctly, you will want to convert them to Excel recognized dates.

    To do this, enter the following formula anywhere in row 3:

    =SUBSTITUTE(A3," ",", ",2)+0
    Drag down that column.

    You can now copy and paste those as values into column A and then sort as expected.

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    Quote Originally Posted by 63falcondude View Post
    Welcome back. The problem here is that the dates in column A are being seen as text.

    To sort these correctly, you will want to convert them to Excel recognized dates.

    To do this, enter the following formula anywhere in row 3:

    =SUBSTITUTE(A3," ",", ",2)+0
    Drag down that column.

    You can now copy and paste those as values into column A and then sort as expected.
    When I do as you said in your reply I end up with #VALUES in all the cells in the date column. I tried it one more time and when I insert your formula in column a row three it says that I'm getting a circular Reference warning. ???

    What happened to the good old days When you could right-click a column and select date and Excel would see it as a date ??

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    What happened to the good old days When you could right-click a column and select date and Excel would see it as a date ??
    You can only do that if it is being seen as a date, not if it is a "text date" as I call it.

    When I do as you said in your reply I end up with #VALUES in all the cells in the date column.
    I'll walk you through it step by step.
    1) Open the sample from post #5
    2) Enter the formula from post #6 into cell D3 (or copy and paste it into the cell)
    3) Copy the formula down column D
    4) With cells D3:D644 selected, right-click on any of them and select copy
    5) Right-click on cell D3 and select Paste Special > Values
    6) Change the formatting of column D from General to whatever date format you want
    7) Scroll down and manually correct the #VALUE! errors (those text dates are missing the first letter)
    8) Select cells D3:D644 then right-click and select cut
    9) Right-click on cell A3 and select Paste
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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    Quote Originally Posted by 63falcondude View Post
    You can only do that if it is being seen as a date, not if it is a "text date" as I call it.


    I'll walk you through it step by step.
    1) Open the sample from post #5
    2) Enter the formula from post #6 into cell D3 (or copy and paste it into the cell)
    3) Copy the formula down column D
    4) With cells D3:D644 selected, right-click on any of them and select copy
    5) Right-click on cell D3 and select Paste Special > Values
    6) Change the formatting of column D from General to whatever date format you want
    7) Scroll down and manually correct the #VALUE! errors (those text dates are missing the first letter)
    8) Select cells D3:D644 then right-click and select cut
    9) Right-click on cell A3 and select Paste
    Same As above when I fall your step-by-step instructions which I do appreciate I get a circular reference error window

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    The only way that I can imagine you getting a circular reference is if you are trying to put the formula referencing column A into column A, which is not what the instructions showed.

    When I follow the instructions step by step, this is what I get (see attached).
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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    Quote Originally Posted by 63falcondude View Post
    The only way that I can imagine you getting a circular reference is if you are trying to put the formula referencing column A into column A, which is not what the instructions showed.

    When I follow the instructions step by step, this is what I get (see attached).
    When I look at your example what I'm Seeing is the first two dates are 4/10 /2012 Then it goes to 4/10/2018 So it seems all the Aprils our first no matter what year they are Then it jumps up to August with different years.

    What I'm looking for is the very first one to be the very first date and then the date should go in order from that point on. The last time someone tried to help me with this and they wanted to use a formula we ran into the same issue over and over again. I'm not saying what you're telling me to do is not right I'm just saying it's not working for me, even in your example if you look at it it's keeping similar months together but not in order by date.

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    When I look at your example what I'm Seeing is the first two dates are 4/10 /2012 Then it goes to 4/10/2018
    The first two dates in the workbook from post #10 are 4/1/2018 then it goes to 4/10/2012 in A5... I'm not sure what you are looking at.

    Regardless...

    I didn't do any sorting. I just converted the "text dates" to Excel recognized dates.

    As I said in post #6, after doing this, you will then be able to sort as expected.

    Follow post #2 for directions on how to sort once the "text dates" have been converted.

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    Quote Originally Posted by 63falcondude View Post
    The first two dates in the workbook from post #10 are 4/1/2018 then it goes to 4/10/2012 in A5... I'm not sure what you are looking at.

    Regardless...

    I didn't do any sorting. I just converted the "text dates" to Excel recognized dates.

    As I said in post #6, after doing this, you will then be able to sort as expected.

    Follow post #2 for directions on how to sort once the "text dates" have been converted.
    I understand that you're trying to convert what is text into dates however the dates do not go in order if you even look at your own example. Dates should go Earliest month/Earliest day/earliest year And so on in your example they don't do that

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    Again, I didn't sort it yet so they would be in the same order as they were in post #1.

    Here is the workbook with the data sorted.
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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    Quote Originally Posted by 63falcondude View Post
    Again, I didn't sort it yet so they would be in the same order as they were in post #1.

    Here is the workbook with the data sorted.
    Okay now that you sorted it It makes more sense. The example I sent you were just columns A and B which had Just the date and time. In my worksheet I am trying to convert what are not dates into dates have other personal data in other columns. Maybe when I follow your example on that it's not working because of your formula. I can create a different row to enter your formula to convert the text to dates And then follow your instructions and I'm sure it would work now after sorting. Doesn't matter which column I create to add your formula?

    As I will be copy and pasting into this worksheet and obviously what I'm copy and pasting our text not dates even though they say their dates this will be an ongoing problem what is the best way that I can overcome this?
    Thanks for your replies I really do appreciate it

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    what is the best way that I can overcome this
    See posts 8 and 2.

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    Quote Originally Posted by 63falcondude View Post
    See posts 8 and 2.
    There is no doubt in my mind that Post #8 Gives step-by-step instructions however in post number two I don't see what you're describing in that post. When I follow your instructions and that post I not getting the same thing you're saying so something might be different.

    I appreciate your help

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    When you select column A to sort, do not expand the selection, then select column B to sort and Don't expand the selection, they will both be sorted separately.

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    Quote Originally Posted by davesexcel View Post
    When you select column A to sort, do not expand the selection, then select column B to sort and Don't expand the selection, they will both be sorted separately.
    Unfortunately I don't know enough about Excel And that is what's causing most my problems obviously.
    When you say select column a to sort "do not expand the selection " I don't understand what you're saying because I don't understand at what step you're talking about.

    I guess to what best way I can describe it to help you help me, if you look at my original example on the very first post, it is just the date and times in column A and B and I understand That what I'm copying and pasting even though it a date it's going into Excel As text. As in prior posts where 63falcondude was trying to show me how to do it the problem I run into is what you guys are describing either I don't understand or I don't see what you're telling me that I should see.

    The example I gave was just the two first columns A and B In the worksheet I have there are several more columns that have personal information in them that's why I can include them in the example. Apparently the only thing I need to correct is changing the date from a text into a an actual date. Knowing that columns a,b,c,d,e have data contained in them what is the best way for me to enter 63falcondude formula so that it will change call may into actual dates.

    Can I insert a column in between the ones I currently have and follow63falcondude instructions to make call may dates? If I do that can I hide that when I'm done? When I had the formula and I drag it down can I drag it down so far that any date that I enter in that column that is text will be turned into dates ??

    You see there's so many questions I have because my inexperience in Excel But I'm willing to learn if you guys are willing to help me

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    What Dave is saying is that you need to ONLY highlight col A. When you try to sort, excel will pop-up a window, asking if you want the range. Click on "continue with current selection"
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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    Quote Originally Posted by FDibbins View Post
    What Dave is saying is that you need to ONLY highlight col A. When you try to sort, excel will pop-up a window, asking if you want the range. Click on "continue with current selection"
    If I only select call may to sort does it only sort All the data in column a and not the rest of the data in the other columns?

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    Yes, that is correct. Only the range highlighted will be sorted and nothing else (keep in mind that the rest of the data may/will then no longer match up to that column any more)

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

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    Yes, that is correct. Only the range highlighted will be sorted and nothing else (keep in mind that the rest of the data may/will then no longer match up to that column any more)
    I need all of the data in all my columns to be sorted together as they are all linked together. It would do me no good to sort the dates because then they would be not associated to the other data in my Worksheet. I need to be able to convert the text to actual dates then I need to select all my data and sort with With the column a which are dates to use the sword everything. Does that make any sense?

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    Let me go back t o the start and read what you have.
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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    OK, if this a once-off thing, do the following.

    1. Highlight the column of dates (ONLY the date column)
    2. On the data tab, select Text2Columns
    3. click Next/Next, check date and select MDY
    4. Click Finish

    You should now be able to sort all based on the date and time columns

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    Okay, this is not once-off Thing, I will be continuing to add data to this worksheet by copying and pasting from another application. So I need To make sure that the Data then I'm copying even though it says that the date it's actually text is converted to an actual date each time I Copy and paste more data into this worksheet.

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    Where is the data coming from?

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    A website that keeps track of the information that I'm Transferring to my own worksheet. Obviously I can't tell you exactly where it's coming from because it's a personal matter. But I'm sure no matter where I'm getting the information from what I have to do is convert the date that is a text into an actual date then I Know how to sort so that all my data is how I like it.

    The only problem now is when I paste the data in my worksheet even though it appears to be a date in the date column it's actual text. I need a way to convert the text to an actual date and then I guess I have to do that each time I paste new data into the date column

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    Just to give you an update, I was able to go into my CP panel and find my original post that I couldn't find earlier. In that post it explains how to select a column then use text to column wizard which allows you to select what the data in that column is. It converts the text into actual Excel Dates Then if I select all my data and go to sort I'm able to sort using column A and everything is sorted properly and the dates then are in order as they should be.

    If that's what any of you were trying to tell me I apologize for not being able to get it, I had to go back and read my entire original thread when I fixed it last time with their help. Now hopefully I will remember how to do this each time and if I don't I guess I could always go back to this Original thread that I couldn't find and reread it.

    I apologize to everyone for not knowing enough about Excel to understand the very basic steps you were telling me however when you follow a step in you don't see what you're supposed to it just gets very confusing.

    Thank you for all your replies I really do appreciate your help

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    If you're going to keep adding data to the bottom of your table then I suggest converting everything to an Excel Table, which will expand automatically, including formulae, when you paste in new data. This combined with a couple of formulae to convert your text-dates to real dates, plus times, will allow you to sort after every time you paste in.

    Here's what I suggest. I will assume you have data in columns A-G, so that columns H onwards are 'free'.

    1. Column H. Give it a heading like 'DateNew' or 'DateFixed' or something.
    In H3, type this formula:
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    This will convert the text-date to a real date. Format the column as whatever format you prefer.

    2. Column I. Give it a heading 'DateTime' or similar.
    In I3, type this formula:
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    This will add the date and time together. You'll then be able to sort Oldest-to-Newest (or vice-versa) in one step using this column.
    (You could miss out column H and do a combination formula here, but I think this is easier to see.)

    3. Drag the formulae in H3 and I3 down to the bottom of your data. If there are no gaps in column G, you can just double-click the bottom right of H3 / I3 to get it to automatically fill-down to the last row.

    4. Now convert the whole thing to an Excel Table. Either press Ctrl-T or click 'Table' on the 'Insert' tab. Excel will detect your data range automatically and pre-select the 'my data has headers' option - you don't need to change these, just click OK.

    That's it. You can now sort using the drop-down arrow in the 'DateTime' column.
    Whenever you add new data underneath the old data, the Table will automatically expand to cover that new data, including calculating columns H and I.
    You can then sort again and the new data will be sorted with the old data.

    There are some minor issues with the data you have. On some rows, the first letter of the month has been missed out ('ep' instead of 'Sep'). These will give #VALUE errors. The only way to fix these is to correct the typo in column A. Luckily, it's easy to find these, because they'll appear at the bottom of the data (or top if you sort up instead of down). Just fix the typos and re-sort.

    I hope that does what you want. The attached file shows it working, on three separate sheets to show the stages.


    Edit: just seen your previous post (I hadn't refreshed while typing my reply). Glad you got it fixed yourself. I'll leave my suggestion here, not delete it, just in case you find it of any use.
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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    Thanks for your long up reply and I really appreciate you trying to help.
    I was able to go back to my post originally when I posted this several months ago and read how we corrected it then.
    Since then I've been able to correct my problem and now I know how to so that I can sort my data according to the date.

    Once again thank you everyone for trying to help me I know it's hard trying to help somebody who doesn't know what they're doing but I was able to get it done and I shall remember it.

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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    As I said in my edit above, glad you managed to get it fixed.
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    Re: A question about sorting by the date then time

    We all have different way of explaining things, and we all "hear" the same thing differently sometimes, as well.

    Thats what makes a place like this so great - you have many sets of eyes looking at the same problem, so someone is bound to understand exactly what is needed

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