I have a range of data in cells G4:O181

I have used =COUNTIF($G$4:$O$181,"Debs") to count the number of occurences of Debs

In some of the cells Debs is black text and some Debs is red text

=(PERSONAL.XLS!CountByColor(G4:O181,3,TRUE)) will give me the total number of cells that have Red Text

I have tried this formula to calculate the number of cells that are both Debs and red text =SUM(G4:O181="Debs")*((PERSONAL.XLS!CountByColor(G 4:O181,3,TRUE))), enterred as an array, but get the value zero

How can I combine the two to get the result for the number of cells in the range that are Debs and red text

Thanks in advance for any help
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Hope this helps

Paul