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    To ALL members - New updated forum rules

    Hi to all members.

    Forum Admin and Mods have recently updated all forum rules. We hope this has made them simpler to read and to abide by.

    We all understand that not everyone will agree with these rules - no large groups will ever all agree on some things, but all members are still expected to adhere to these.

    My apologies for not doing this yesterday (9/8/2018), but just after I posted, we lost all internet/TV/Phone due to a huge rain storm we had.

    Please leave any comments or questions here, and we will do our best to answer you.

    Thanks to all for all your hard work and patience here

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    Read the updated rules here: https://www.excelforum.com/forum-rul...rum-rules.html
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    1. Use code tags for VBA. [code] Your Code [/code] (or use the # button)
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    Re: To ALL members - New updated forum rules

    Just to keep this visible

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    Re: To ALL members - New updated forum rules

    3 and 10 contradict each other surely? Post links if you cross-post but we'll ban you if you post links to other forums!
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    Re: To ALL members - New updated forum rules

    These two rules have always co-existed, although you probably didn't notice it before as the rules were so wordy!

    Links to cross-posts are necessary so that helpers can easily check what advice has been given already elsewhere - saves duplication of effort. Any other links to other forums that are NOT for the purpose of identifying cross-posts are not allowed.

    Seems a simple enough distinction to me.
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    Re: To ALL members - New updated forum rules

    The rule about non posting links to "competing" forums is a bit ridiculous and a tad hypocrite.
    So if there is a perfectly good answer to a question on , say MrE, what should be done? Copy paste it in this forum taking all the credit? Not help the OP ?

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    Re: To ALL members - New updated forum rules

    Note D seems to be redundant??

    They're a huge improvement on what went before. Much less wordy. Two comments/questions: Can "formula help needed" really be regarded as a non-compliance with rule 1?? Rule 13... Should it not have been Rule 101? The concept of the Rep Police sounds very Orwellian to me.
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    Re: To ALL members - New updated forum rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn Kennedy View Post
    Note D seems to be redundant??
    Probably, sort of. It's there as a final resort I suppose and also the consequences were put together before the rest of the stuff. If it ever needs to be slotted in against one of them it can be.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn Kennedy View Post
    Can "formula help needed" really be regarded as a non-compliance with rule 1??
    I think so (be a non-compliance, that is) - the rule of thumb seems to be "what is acceptable as a Google search", and no-one would ever search for "formula help", unless they wanted to wade though ten gzillion hits looking for what they actually wanted. Even "VLOOKUP help" would be better, or "look up help" if they don't know the correct formula.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn Kennedy View Post
    Rule 13... Should it not have been Rule 101? The concept of the Rep Police sounds very Orwellian to me.
    You're right, it does. And two months ago I would agree with you 100%. Until we had two respected members trading rep points with one another, dozens at a time, more than 2,000 over a period of a few months. When one particular member was asked why, the response was, "well, there's no rule saying you can't". The member was absolutely right, but unfortunately, it's one of the instances where the few exceptions ruin things for the many.

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    Re: To ALL members - New updated forum rules

    Quote Originally Posted by AliGW View Post
    Seems a simple enough distinction to me.
    I'm sure it does as you're a forum moderator and were presumably involved in the discussions. Consider it from the point of view of a new user, and you might see it as contradictory and confusing. Surely not too hard to add a small clarification. (I'd suggest removing the latter part of rule 10 as it's idiotic but suspect I'd still be wasting my breath.)

    Amusing that we could be banned for trying to help someone, but not for simply abusing them.

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    Re: To ALL members - New updated forum rules

    May we have an addendum to rule #4 that states that it does not apply in the Tips and Tutorials forum?

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    Re: To ALL members - New updated forum rules

    Quote Originally Posted by rorya View Post
    I'm sure it does as you're a forum moderator and were presumably involved in the discussions. Consider it from the point of view of a new user, and you might see it as contradictory and confusing. Surely not too hard to add a small clarification. (I'd suggest removing the latter part of rule 10 as it's idiotic but suspect I'd still be wasting my breath.)

    Amusing that we could be banned for trying to help someone, but not for simply abusing them.
    I am speaking as a member here. It never came up as a contradiction in the discussions as the distinction has always been there, but I take your point - it may need clarifying.

    As for finding rules "idiotic" - you may not agree with all of them, but they are the rules and we must all abide by them. Please be aware that a lot of effort went into these updates on the part of the mods and admins, in particular Ford.

    As for being banned - you are far more likely to be banned for simply abusing someone else than for trying to help them. Let's try to keep things in perspective, please.

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    Re: To ALL members - New updated forum rules

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    Re: To ALL members - New updated forum rules

    Quote Originally Posted by AliGW View Post
    I am speaking as a member here.
    You may be, but that doesn't change the fact that you probably have a lot more experience of forums in general and the specific rules here (which, as you note, haven't really changed) than a new user, which was my point.

    As for finding rules "idiotic" - you may not agree with all of them, but they are the rules and we must all abide by them. Please be aware that a lot of effort went into these updates on the part of the mods and admins, in particular Ford.
    I never said anything to the contrary. That doesn't make it any less idiotic that I can't simply provide a link to an existing, relevant answer on another forum, but instead have to waste my time recreating it. That doesn't, as far as I know, have anything to do with these updates, other than the fact that I will apparently now get banned for doing so more than once.

    As for being banned - you are far more likely to be banned for simply abusing someone else than for trying to help them. Let's try to keep things in perspective, please.
    I would have assumed that, but it is absolutely not what the rules state. Being abusive is apparently A & Z (so mod edit and no infraction) whereas posting useful links is A & B, so mod edit and banning. Or are you saying that I can just apply my perspective to the rules?

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    Re: To ALL members - New updated forum rules

    Regarding #10 what constitutes as "commercial site"?
    There are a number of sites with very good info, who also sell add-ins. Would they be classified as commercial?

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    Re: To ALL members - New updated forum rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe Le Mokko View Post
    So if there is a perfectly good answer to a question on , say MrE, ...
    I cannot imagine that is the intent. I have posted links on both forums to the other when the same question was clearly answered there. Nether forum has a monopoly on good answers, and I hope we're not so paranoid that we can't acknowledge it.
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    Re: To ALL members - New updated forum rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Fluff13 View Post
    ... what constitutes as "commercial site"?
    Quite simply a site with commercial interests.

    However, and you put your finger on this very issue, a site containing free Excel information, hints, tips etc is fair game, even though it may well be a commercial site.

    Again, it's all multi (go on, I'll say it - Fifty) shades of grey If you have a commercial site containing free stuff, then feel free to use it in your signature, or point people to it where relevant. If the site is commercial only (selling add-ins etc) with no free content, then it should really not be referred to unless you see it as the only way to accomplish an end result. We sometimes get members coming along where their very first post is to recommend a commercial site in answer to question. They are likely to be considered spam and earn a ban. If you recommended the same site, it would likely be overlooked because of your post count and general reputation.

    This kind of thing was spelled out in the original rules, but the idea of a rewrite was to make them easier to read and digest, so all the waffle go cut out, leaving just the bare bones, in the hope that new users would be less intimidated by them. And if you ever saw the old rules page, you'll understand exactly what I mean.

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