I thought the World was against me, it seems you are as well

[FinancialEngineer]

I used to participate on this ExcelForum in past using a screen name of MoneyMaker but I suppose that was not quite reflective of the money I lost promoting tadXL

But I tried my best to bring back live my web enterprises from sudden death in Summer of 2013 and only barely been able to bring back 2 of my sites online with what little money I made in Fall of 2013

Now I came back to ExcelForum using a new screen name of FinancialEngineer a name that best reflects my skills that I learned without going to a business school as going to one will be waste of life and time

My software product tadXL add-in in undergoing a major re-engineering that will revolutionize the way financial analysis is performed.

See this discussion on internet as to what I have created thus far http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/re-...-t4062127.html

When I lately posted replies on couple of threads on ExcelForum the links I left to one of my sites were removed

May I ask why you did not reinstate my links to sites even though I contact the person who wanted a justification for reinstating the links

I thought it is fair only when you get something in return for participating here on Excel forum

[JBeaucaire]

Let me make this clear, no drama and as simply as I can.


This forum is to assist specific individuals in their specific project solve specific problems in a teaching manner. "Links" in posts on this forum should be to:

1) Acknowledged free content on the web of other recognized Excel Superstars
2) Free content of your own relating to the actual topic

When linking to FREE content of your own, you may put a generic link to your FREE site in your signature AFTER you have proven you are part of this community by diving in as "FinancialEngineer" and providing free answers to those posing questions here.

When linking to your free site within a specific post (not your signature, within your actual answer) that link should be to some sort of basic formulas/vba/addins that solve THAT specific problem exactly, along with suggestions on how the poster might adapt your linked content. A link within a post should not be to your website's home page, ever.


Notice none of these parameters include you promoting a paid-product? We don't really do that here. Not because we don't like you, we don't know you well enough to dislike you. We don't do it because we don't do it. If you do it, it will be moderated and probably removed.

We welcome you to our site to assist people learning to use Excel more fully themselves. I am sorry that we will be virtually no assistance to you regarding promoting your paid products and not-for-free services.

If you have any further inquires OTHER than this, please add them to this inquiry. I believe the description above should fully cover the current topic.

[FinancialEngineer]

Hello and while no pun is intended but your reply sounds like the one from the book of orders of a Martial law.

You repeatedly emphasized the word FREE.

But just like the many other outlets on the internet that seek FREE services such as the mighty Yahoo Answers! and others do indeed make MONEY from the content that is bought for FREE

I thought a FAIR rule then would permit sharing of the REVENUE that such enterprises earn from the FREE content and if that is too much to ask then a LINK to the sites (regardless of the site offering FREE or PAID products) of the FREE SERVICE PROVIDER offers at least some form of PAYMENT.

Is that really too much to ask for or else are we really talking about economic theory of Karl Marx which I thought was unwanted in a CAPITALIST economy

[JBeaucaire]

You can drop as many drama-bombs into your posts as you wish, they are pointless and not an argument at all.

I repeat myself to prove how much I like you. This forum is to offer free assistance and free solutions. Please feel free to come here and utilize this club the way it is intended. Venture outside of what we do here and you will be moderated, politely, but nonetheless.

You are 100% free to pursue your revenue-generating business, anywhere on the internet where that is allowed. I believe Google will let you buy an unlimited number of ads and will push those right onto the screens of people doing Excel searches.

We don't do that here in our own posts, not like that.

To be fully forthright, there IS a Commercial Service section to our forum. If you work here for a year and generate enough support for your free answers to build a reputation high enough you will earn Expert status. All those with Expert status are eligible to considered as ExcelForum Guru, and those who acquire that status will gain access to answering Commercial Services questions, which is a paid services forum.

All of this has to be earned, and has been earned by many. You are encouraged and welcomed to work towards that, the way all others here have done that.

I repeat myself one more time, because I really, really like you. We hope you stay here and join us in doing what we do. We don't sell personal products in our answers, so you won't be doing that either, but you will be part of a community that enjoys and respects one another in Excel-like ways.

[FinancialEngineer]

Thank you all for showing the open internet that it is where you speak your mind.

I suppose if he is really that popular then just like the former NYC mayor they should allow him a third term in office.

[JBeaucaire]

I would laugh were that funnier.

Let me try another way. You appear to possibly suffer from the same error so many other suffer from, the idea that the free market or the open internet means do anything anywhere. It never meant that. Nobody owes you a platform to say/sell anything you want, or more accurately, a place to do anything you want at any time. Its unfortunate when people get so self-involved they forget where they are.

You cannot walk into a Burger King and start selling Excel manuals in the lobby without someone walking you off the premises, probably after politely asking you to stop. "We sell burgers here. You can sell your Excel manual, you are FREE to find an appropriate place to do that, just not here."

Whether you get this or not, and it's starting to get scary that you might not actually get this, the internet is no different than any other "open" market. People are free to set up their shop to do what they do and people who come to their shop get to do that thing... or get corrected, politely, if they miss the point of the site.

So welcome to our site. I hope you enjoy and benefit and get involved in what we do. But if you're still too focused on your business, which maybe you need to be, your time may be better spent elsewhere, working on that.

When you're done, for the day or for good, we'll still be here, and you're welcome back.

[russc2541]

In laymans terms, posting links to your paid stuff is called spam and nobody likes it. We, the members of the forum, don't like it cluttering up space for our questions/answers and the people that own and run the site don't like you having free advertizing on their website. If you want to promote your product, you are FREE to pay them for advertizing space. Why should you make money using their services without cutting them in on the deal? None of the dozens of forums I'm a member of (nor hundreds that I've seen) are exceptions nor would I expect them to be.

Sure the internet's free. You may freely use the internet to make yourself a website. Much like how most roads are public property and free to use but you can't get in just any car and go for a drive on them any which way or speed you choose.


PS If anyone thinks the world ISN'T against them, they live in fantasyland.

[xladept]

For most of us - the world is unaware

[snb]

PS If anyone thinks the world ISN'T against them, they live in fantasyland.

And sometimes they struggle their way back to reality, helped by some medication or some other support. Sometimes they try to gain contact to the real world/life again by posting in fora like these. Their way struggling back may have some pitfalls, some stumblings but as long as no real harm is being done let's not judge too harshly about their (not yet always 100% successful) attempts to connect to the real world again. Especially taken into account the less than suited to a civilised society quality of welfare and mental health support systems in many underdeveloped western countries like the US e.g.
I consider JB's appraoch a sensible one. Give members the time and space to reconnect again. We can all face a time where life isn't 'on our side'. And hopefully we get the opportunity to overcome that.

[FinancialEngineer]

Yes I went to Burger King last night and asked them for a burger

The young lad behind the counter said he will be pleased to serve me a ham burger once I made the payment

I told the kid that I am part of ExcelForum community where all people offer FREE services to solve COMPLEX problems

The kids said he did remember couple of folks from Excel Forum coming in at Lunch time and he said those were the owners of that forum and that he was more than happy to serve them burger, fries and the drink as they made the payment. He said that the waitress fell in love with guy who owned the forum as she liked the money he made from the adverts that were displaying along the replies by those who answer for FREE

So how do I get a ham burger I asked the young chap

He said go ask those who own the Excel Forum to give you the revenue share from the money they made from those replies you post over the last two years

So here I am now to ask you where my money is so I can buy myself a hamburger at Burger King

[Kyle123]

And those are the terms that those who answer here accept. We are fully aware that we are indeed the product and money is being made on the back of the FREE answers we provide. This is not hidden and completely transparent, we were not conned into providing answers and yet provide them anyway. You may choose to accept these terms or not, but they are not for discussion, if you want payment for answers then look elsewhere.

One does not offer volunteer work in a charity shop and ask for payment.

[snb]

@Kyle

The 'rules' have been changed after we signed in.

[Kyle123]

Fair enough it's slightly different if a user isn't told this in advance

Though I wasn't specifically referring to the rules, more the concept of the forum.

FWIW I don't really have an issue with people posting paid solutions to a question so long as it's a ready made solution (so it isn't just touting for contract work) and it fits the requirement. I've told people to purchase software on several occasions that would better meet their needs than "hacking" a solution out of Excel. Whether the software is written by the poster or a 3rd party in my opinion is largely moot so long as the solution meets the requirement and isn't just spam (though where to draw the line is more difficult). If I were asking a question, I wouldn't want to exclude an option (that may or may not be better than a 'free' solution) purely because I have to pay for it, I'd rather see multiple options and make an informed decision.

IME "Free" solutions are rarely free in the long run.

[FinancialEngineer]

That shows arrogance and nerve that reminds me of his memoirs scripted here in "The audacity of dope" and they were keeping Bob Hope alive for the inner city youths.

What you stated is no different that what I heard on highest level of the online businesses likes of Google and Yahoo that put it bluntly and said to F*** off their prize winning enterprises

Somewhere in the previous replies a count of 100 was mentioned for the forums on internet that all have the same rules. With the statistics I know, that is a good enough sample size to infer that all forums on the internet have the same rules. No surprises here as they all went the same school of thought known as the "Devils' academy of Economics"

I know the Devil when I hear him, see him and talk to him and here I smell the same arrogant lad who disobeyed thy Lord.

The TV stations in New York City consistently speak of the thin blue line that divides the cops from the bad guys but as I recall it such lines is blurred and it is hard to differentiate the good from evil as the Devil also wears the same blue uniform and his superior who hands down the verdicts in the court room has horns protruding from the sides of his head.

Where I live or don't want to live they speak of some All*h without whose permission even a leaf on tree can't shake. How many times do you hear people playing goD when they stink just as I do when Flushing the toilet in Queens borough of New York City.

Some where on newsgroups I posted my thoughts last week and those thread on the three forums on internet that carry the newsgroup posts has been removed from SERPS on Google and other search engines so here I will take a small part of my rambling that is now silenced and it stated what you are taught at your schools of Economics by the Devil to make money off others that results in RONI - return on no investor and leaves the investor without return leading to NROI - no return on investment

I used to gamble big time sort of like $1000 a day in New York back in 1992 and the machine picked the numbers on random. But somehow all such 1000 one dollar lottery tickets were the winning numbers. This went on for 180 days but I never collected the money as the winning numbers they reported in New York Daily News and New York Post or on Channel 9 in NYC were different than those on those lottery tickets. But someone made the money on lies thus is no different that this

Web of Lies and Deceit

[JBeaucaire]

Substantive responses to these rants seem pointless. Let's all just agree with your title to this thread, and my final thought would be this:

"If the whole world hates you, the one consistent thing in all those relationships is you."


I like grapes.

[FinancialEngineer]

and my final thought would be this:

"If the whole world hates you, the one consistent thing in all those relationships is you."

I like grapes.

As I stated in my last reply those who hand down the final verdict resemble the Devil that it is.

It does turn out to be one of those victim of the system story

[FDibbins]

I have been following this thread (silently until now), and the initial thread, and have watched the OP digress from an initial well-spoken and thought out post, to an almost rambling babble. You say your posts have been deleted in other forums you posted, and I see that the same direction is being indicated here.

As a wise person once said...If you always do what you always did, you will always get what you always got...

I think that you now need to grow a pair, get some kleenex and get on with your life. If you were good enough at excel to great what you said you did, and if it really was as good as you claimed it to be, then Im sure there are other avenues you could take your talents down for your own benefit

Based solely on how your discussion has deteriorated, I see no need to keep this thread open any longer, but I will leave that decision up to the admin

Good luck with your future endeavors (and I mean that sincerely)

[JBeaucaire]

Yeah, devil that I am, I am *this* close to closing the thread as having served its purpose. But, this is the Water Cooler, where we are more kicked back about this kind of thing.

I'll probably leave it open.

...unless I close it.



Hope that clears everything up.

[FDibbins]

Water cooler or not, you can only keep flogging a dead horse for so long, then it starts breaking apart and causing a mess

[Fotis1991]

Hope that clears everything up.

Everything at all!!

[alansidman]

@Ford

Water cooler or not, you can only keep flogging a dead horse for so long, then it starts breaking apart and causing a mess

Are you referencing my Avatar? Do I have to worry that it may disintegrate?

[xladept]

@Alan - I thought that was a dead dog!

[TMS]

This is getting sad on so many levels

JB: please, put it out of its misery and close it.

And, kindhearted though it may be, I'm not really convinced you should be welcoming back the FinancialEngineer, at least not until he goes back on his meds.

TMS

[JBeaucaire]

For failing to inspire a change in the point of our forum,
for lacking in good humor and brevity of tale,

...this thread is closed in hopes of more positive things to come.