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    Re: How to insert text above a table

    I will do so and you are very welcome. Thanks for the feedback/rep.

    Don't forget to mark as solved.
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    Re: How to insert text above a table

    The table attached to the document in your first post already has an empty paragraph above it - with the Caption style applied. Hence, the process for inserting a paragraph break before a table at the top of the document won't work.

    FWIW, inserting a paragraph break before a table at the top of the document is as simple as pressing the Enter key at the start of the table.
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    Re: How to insert text above a table

    Hi macropod,
    Is there anyway to fix this problem?
    I've read online that it might be to do with the fact that I have started a table without outting in a paragragh first and the page break or section break is stopping that from happening?
    Very strange glitch caused as a result.

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    Re: How to insert text above a table

    Quote Originally Posted by JulianS96 View Post
    Is there anyway to fix this problem?
    As far as I can tell, the only 'problem' is that you're trying to fix something that isn't broken. As I said:
    Quote Originally Posted by macropod View Post
    The table attached to the document in your first post already has an empty paragraph above it - with the Caption style applied.
    Turn on the formatting display (e.g. by pressing the symbol on the Ribbon's Home tab) and it'll be as plain as the nose on your face.
    Quote Originally Posted by JulianS96 View Post
    I've read online that it might be to do with the fact that I have started a table without outting in a paragragh first and the page break or section break
    Completely irrelevant for the attachment to your post. It can be a problem after a page break or section break - and nothing has changed in that regard - but that isn't the case with your attachment.

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    Re: How to insert text above a table

    Hey Macropod.
    Yes I get that noone elese seems to experience the problem except from me.
    See post #7 for the screenshot of what i experience when I right click above the table.
    I get a Black downwards arrow that appears when I try to click above the table and insert text...
    Nothing that I try to do can make text appear above.
    Even when I press CTRL+SHIFT+ENTER, it still puts the new paragrah line BELOW the table. So frustrating!
    For re-reference, here is the troubled document again.

    EDIT 2: Ah ok I see your point.
    That "sub heading" text is actually INTEGRATED in the table, just with border line off on both sides and above it.
    This is bad as it means I cannot format or move the text whereever I wnat it easily.
    Check the revised document showing the borders of this text.
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    Last edited by JulianS96; 03-25-2020 at 06:43 AM.

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    Re: How to insert text above a table

    That can only be because the table you attached is not formatted the way your real table is. The most likely difference is that, whereas the table in your attachment has no text wrapping, your real table has 'around' text wrapping. You can expect a solution that applies to what you attached to work the same way in a document that has such a fundamental change in formatting. The simple solution for your real table would be to drag it to a lower position on the page - or turn off the text wrapping.

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    Re: How to insert text above a table

    Not sure how else to explain it other than using screenshots from steps recorder...
    Here is what I'm getting before and after pushing the table downwards.
    Hurrah, a paragraph line appears. But what is that unnessecary gap that is appearing between the line and the top of the table, and that black arrow too
    Any ideas?
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    Re: How to insert text above a table

    That black arrow is the arrow is see when selecting a column in the table. Seems normal to me.

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    Sorry, but I still do not know what this is.

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    Re: How to insert text above a table

    Quote Originally Posted by JulianS96 View Post
    Hurrah, a paragraph line appears. But what is that unnessecary gap that is appearing between the line and the top of the table
    Well that too depends on your document's formatting. And since you seem determined not to provide an attachment that reflects the formatting of the actual document you're using, no-one here can tell you.

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    Re: How to insert text above a table

    Quote Originally Posted by macropod View Post
    Well that too depends on your document's formatting. And since you seem determined not to provide an attachment that reflects the formatting of the actual document you're using, no-one here can tell you.
    I will reattach the same, unedited, document again. (I lied, I added a big yellow highlighted bit of text where the text is currently "allowed" to sit.)
    Please take a look.
    If you don't experience formatting issues and say it is fine however, then that is not OK.
    That, is the reason why those screenshots are there to demonstrate WHAT exactly the SAME document is on MY end.
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    Re: How to insert text above a table

    You really should pay more attention to how you've formatted the paragraphs in your table. Every row except the first has:
    'keep lines together'; and
    'keep with next',
    applied. So all those rows have to go on the same page as the paragraph that follows the table...

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    Re: How to insert text above a table

    I copy pasted the table in from excel and then modified it so it fit the page better.
    So I have no idea why the "keep lines together" or "keep with next" settings should be off for row 1...
    What would the solution be to fix this problem knowing that?

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    Re: How to insert text above a table

    As I said, those are attributes of the paragraph formatting. See under Home|Paragraph>Line and Page Breaks.

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    Re: How to insert text above a table

    Well well well! Oh MY GOD!
    I have managed to fix it!
    I changed the "Text Wrapping" of the table from "Around" to "None" and then back to "Around" and it just fixed the gap instantly!!!
    Check it out!
    EDIT: I also made sure there was a "page break" function where the sectional break was.
    EDIT 2: That was also the correct fix for my official document with 30 pages!
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    Re: How to insert text above a table

    That's because you've moved the table higher up the page, not because you've fixed the paragraph formatting...

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