xy scatter chart-How can you make the axis equal for a 1H:1V plot

I want to plot similar values in the x and y directions and I want the axis
to be the same scale. If it were a map. I would want the map to be the same
scale in both the x and y directions. I could then measure angles or
distances on the graph correctly.

The xy scatter chart seem to allow you to change the scale on the x and y
axis independantly and then automatically stretches the axis (x and y) to fit
the page. the result is that the graph is not true scale in both directions.

Otherwise, I need to use another program or autocad to plot my values.

mark wrote on Fri, 19 May 2006 12:35:02 -0700:

m> The xy scatter chart seem to allow you to change the scale
m> on the x and y axis independently and then automatically
m> stretches the axis (x and y) to fit the page. the result is
m> that the graph is not true scale in both directions.

But you can make the units of x and y the same and make the
chart area square by clicking on it and moving the markers. I
don't know how to do this automatically but I can do it
satisfactorily, IMHO, by eye. I suppose I could hold a ruler to
the monitor to make it more exact.

James Silverton.

I really need it to be exact. I've used the method of stretching the graph,
but to get it correct, you do end up printing, measureing, adjusting, etc.

"James Silverton" wrote:

> mark wrote on Fri, 19 May 2006 12:35:02 -0700:
>
> m> The xy scatter chart seem to allow you to change the scale
> m> on the x and y axis independently and then automatically
> m> stretches the axis (x and y) to fit the page. the result is
> m> that the graph is not true scale in both directions.
>
> But you can make the units of x and y the same and make the
> chart area square by clicking on it and moving the markers. I
> don't know how to do this automatically but I can do it
> satisfactorily, IMHO, by eye. I suppose I could hold a ruler to
> the monitor to make it more exact.
>
> James Silverton.
>
>

"mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> "James Silverton" wrote:
>
>> mark wrote on Fri, 19 May 2006 12:35:02 -0700:
>>
>> m> The xy scatter chart seem to allow you to change the scale
>> m> on the x and y axis independently and then automatically
>> m> stretches the axis (x and y) to fit the page. the result is
>> m> that the graph is not true scale in both directions.

>> But you can make the units of x and y the same and make the
>> chart area square by clicking on it and moving the markers. I
>> don't know how to do this automatically but I can do it
>> satisfactorily, IMHO, by eye. I suppose I could hold a ruler to
>> the monitor to make it more exact.

>I really need it to be exact. I've used the method of stretching the
>graph,
> but to get it correct, you do end up printing, measureing, adjusting, etc.

One trick is to use the rectangle drawing tool (with the shift key) to daw a
square, then adjust the scaling of the chart (or stretch it) to match the
gridlines to the square.
--
David Biddulph

David wrote on Fri, 19 May 2006 22:10:35 +0100:

??>> "James Silverton" wrote:
??>>
??>>> mark wrote on Fri, 19 May 2006 12:35:02 -0700:
??>>>
m>>>> The xy scatter chart seem to allow you to change the
m>>>> scale on the x and y axis independently and then
m>>>> automatically stretches the axis (x and y) to fit the
m>>>> page. the result is that the graph is not true scale in
m>>>> both directions.

??>>> But you can make the units of x and y the same and make
??>>> the chart area square by clicking on it and moving the
??>>> markers. I don't know how to do this automatically but I
??>>> can do it satisfactorily, IMHO, by eye. I suppose I could
??>>> hold a ruler to the monitor to make it more exact.

??>> I really need it to be exact. I've used the method of
??>> stretching the graph, but to get it correct, you do end up
??>> printing, measureing, adjusting, etc.

DB> One trick is to use the rectangle drawing tool (with the
DB> shift key) to daw a square, then adjust the scaling of the
DB> chart (or stretch it) to match the gridlines to the square.

That is a bit "tricky" but I just tried it and it can be done
tho' you have to remember to set the scale height and width the
same (probably 100%) when drawing the square if you want it to
print correctly. I don't know if I could meet the criteria of
exactness that the OP wants :-)

James Silverton.

I would like it to be exact, however, I do appreciate this suggestion. It
kind of boggles me that you can't just "lock the aspect ratio" of your graph,
however, you can to draw a square.



"James Silverton" wrote:

> David wrote on Fri, 19 May 2006 22:10:35 +0100:
>
> ??>> "James Silverton" wrote:
> ??>>
> ??>>> mark wrote on Fri, 19 May 2006 12:35:02 -0700:
> ??>>>
> m>>>> The xy scatter chart seem to allow you to change the
> m>>>> scale on the x and y axis independently and then
> m>>>> automatically stretches the axis (x and y) to fit the
> m>>>> page. the result is that the graph is not true scale in
> m>>>> both directions.
>
> ??>>> But you can make the units of x and y the same and make
> ??>>> the chart area square by clicking on it and moving the
> ??>>> markers. I don't know how to do this automatically but I
> ??>>> can do it satisfactorily, IMHO, by eye. I suppose I could
> ??>>> hold a ruler to the monitor to make it more exact.
>
> ??>> I really need it to be exact. I've used the method of
> ??>> stretching the graph, but to get it correct, you do end up
> ??>> printing, measureing, adjusting, etc.
>
> DB> One trick is to use the rectangle drawing tool (with the
> DB> shift key) to daw a square, then adjust the scaling of the
> DB> chart (or stretch it) to match the gridlines to the square.
>
> That is a bit "tricky" but I just tried it and it can be done
> tho' you have to remember to set the scale height and width the
> same (probably 100%) when drawing the square if you want it to
> print correctly. I don't know if I could meet the criteria of
> exactness that the OP wants :-)
>
> James Silverton.
>
>

Another problem I found is that even when you scale it to a square, the
default printing scheme will stretch to the page. To overcome this I had to
go to print preview-setup-chart- and select "scale to page" instead of "fit
to page".

It seems silly that excel has many formulas, is routinely used to solve
equations, yet can't make the scale on two axes equal. Where is the
"engineer" in "computer engineer"?
-mark

> I would like it to be exact, however, I do appreciate this suggestion. It
> kind of boggles me that you can't just "lock the aspect ratio" of your graph,
> however, you can to draw a square.
>
>
>
> "James Silverton" wrote:
>
> > David wrote on Fri, 19 May 2006 22:10:35 +0100:
> >
> > ??>> "James Silverton" wrote:
> > ??>>
> > ??>>> mark wrote on Fri, 19 May 2006 12:35:02 -0700:
> > ??>>>
> > m>>>> The xy scatter chart seem to allow you to change the
> > m>>>> scale on the x and y axis independently and then
> > m>>>> automatically stretches the axis (x and y) to fit the
> > m>>>> page. the result is that the graph is not true scale in
> > m>>>> both directions.
> >
> > ??>>> But you can make the units of x and y the same and make
> > ??>>> the chart area square by clicking on it and moving the
> > ??>>> markers. I don't know how to do this automatically but I
> > ??>>> can do it satisfactorily, IMHO, by eye. I suppose I could
> > ??>>> hold a ruler to the monitor to make it more exact.
> >
> > ??>> I really need it to be exact. I've used the method of
> > ??>> stretching the graph, but to get it correct, you do end up
> > ??>> printing, measureing, adjusting, etc.
> >
> > DB> One trick is to use the rectangle drawing tool (with the
> > DB> shift key) to daw a square, then adjust the scaling of the
> > DB> chart (or stretch it) to match the gridlines to the square.
> >
> > That is a bit "tricky" but I just tried it and it can be done
> > tho' you have to remember to set the scale height and width the
> > same (probably 100%) when drawing the square if you want it to
> > print correctly. I don't know if I could meet the criteria of
> > exactness that the OP wants :-)
> >
> > James Silverton.
> >
> >

You can nail it down more precisely using VBA. The problem is that changes
to the axis labels change the size of the interior plotting rectangle, so
you'd have to run the macro iteratively. There are some examples on my web
site:

http://peltiertech.com/Excel/Charts/SquareGrid.html

- Jon
-------
Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP
Tutorials and Custom Solutions
http://PeltierTech.com
_______


"mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Another problem I found is that even when you scale it to a square, the
> default printing scheme will stretch to the page. To overcome this I had
> to
> go to print preview-setup-chart- and select "scale to page" instead of
> "fit
> to page".
>
> It seems silly that excel has many formulas, is routinely used to solve
> equations, yet can't make the scale on two axes equal. Where is the
> "engineer" in "computer engineer"?
> -mark
>
>> I would like it to be exact, however, I do appreciate this suggestion.
>> It
>> kind of boggles me that you can't just "lock the aspect ratio" of your
>> graph,
>> however, you can to draw a square.
>>
>>
>>
>> "James Silverton" wrote:
>>
>> > David wrote on Fri, 19 May 2006 22:10:35 +0100:
>> >
>> > ??>> "James Silverton" wrote:
>> > ??>>
>> > ??>>> mark wrote on Fri, 19 May 2006 12:35:02 -0700:
>> > ??>>>
>> > m>>>> The xy scatter chart seem to allow you to change the
>> > m>>>> scale on the x and y axis independently and then
>> > m>>>> automatically stretches the axis (x and y) to fit the
>> > m>>>> page. the result is that the graph is not true scale in
>> > m>>>> both directions.
>> >
>> > ??>>> But you can make the units of x and y the same and make
>> > ??>>> the chart area square by clicking on it and moving the
>> > ??>>> markers. I don't know how to do this automatically but I
>> > ??>>> can do it satisfactorily, IMHO, by eye. I suppose I could
>> > ??>>> hold a ruler to the monitor to make it more exact.
>> >
>> > ??>> I really need it to be exact. I've used the method of
>> > ??>> stretching the graph, but to get it correct, you do end up
>> > ??>> printing, measureing, adjusting, etc.
>> >
>> > DB> One trick is to use the rectangle drawing tool (with the
>> > DB> shift key) to daw a square, then adjust the scaling of the
>> > DB> chart (or stretch it) to match the gridlines to the square.
>> >
>> > That is a bit "tricky" but I just tried it and it can be done
>> > tho' you have to remember to set the scale height and width the
>> > same (probably 100%) when drawing the square if you want it to
>> > print correctly. I don't know if I could meet the criteria of
>> > exactness that the OP wants :-)
>> >
>> > James Silverton.
>> >
>> >

Jon,

I have never tried using VBA so this will be a first. I am amazed at how
complicated something seemingly simple is in this case.

Thank you.


"Jon Peltier" wrote:

> You can nail it down more precisely using VBA. The problem is that changes
> to the axis labels change the size of the interior plotting rectangle, so
> you'd have to run the macro iteratively. There are some examples on my web
> site:
>
> http://peltiertech.com/Excel/Charts/SquareGrid.html
>
> - Jon
> -------
> Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP
> Tutorials and Custom Solutions
> http://PeltierTech.com
> _______
>
>
> "mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Another problem I found is that even when you scale it to a square, the
> > default printing scheme will stretch to the page. To overcome this I had
> > to
> > go to print preview-setup-chart- and select "scale to page" instead of
> > "fit
> > to page".
> >
> > It seems silly that excel has many formulas, is routinely used to solve
> > equations, yet can't make the scale on two axes equal. Where is the
> > "engineer" in "computer engineer"?
> > -mark
> >
> >> I would like it to be exact, however, I do appreciate this suggestion.
> >> It
> >> kind of boggles me that you can't just "lock the aspect ratio" of your
> >> graph,
> >> however, you can to draw a square.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "James Silverton" wrote:
> >>
> >> > David wrote on Fri, 19 May 2006 22:10:35 +0100:
> >> >
> >> > ??>> "James Silverton" wrote:
> >> > ??>>
> >> > ??>>> mark wrote on Fri, 19 May 2006 12:35:02 -0700:
> >> > ??>>>
> >> > m>>>> The xy scatter chart seem to allow you to change the
> >> > m>>>> scale on the x and y axis independently and then
> >> > m>>>> automatically stretches the axis (x and y) to fit the
> >> > m>>>> page. the result is that the graph is not true scale in
> >> > m>>>> both directions.
> >> >
> >> > ??>>> But you can make the units of x and y the same and make
> >> > ??>>> the chart area square by clicking on it and moving the
> >> > ??>>> markers. I don't know how to do this automatically but I
> >> > ??>>> can do it satisfactorily, IMHO, by eye. I suppose I could
> >> > ??>>> hold a ruler to the monitor to make it more exact.
> >> >
> >> > ??>> I really need it to be exact. I've used the method of
> >> > ??>> stretching the graph, but to get it correct, you do end up
> >> > ??>> printing, measureing, adjusting, etc.
> >> >
> >> > DB> One trick is to use the rectangle drawing tool (with the
> >> > DB> shift key) to daw a square, then adjust the scaling of the
> >> > DB> chart (or stretch it) to match the gridlines to the square.
> >> >
> >> > That is a bit "tricky" but I just tried it and it can be done
> >> > tho' you have to remember to set the scale height and width the
> >> > same (probably 100%) when drawing the square if you want it to
> >> > print correctly. I don't know if I could meet the criteria of
> >> > exactness that the OP wants :-)
> >> >
> >> > James Silverton.
> >> >
> >> >
>
>
>

Well, since the software was designed by people that don't actually use it
in combat, it probably works differently in some ways than we'd like. The
plot outside area (encompassing the axes etc.) keeps its shape pretty well,
but that's not the dimension that people care about.

- Jon
-------
Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP
Tutorials and Custom Solutions
http://PeltierTech.com
_______

"mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Jon,
>
> I have never tried using VBA so this will be a first. I am amazed at how
> complicated something seemingly simple is in this case.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> "Jon Peltier" wrote:
>
>> You can nail it down more precisely using VBA. The problem is that
>> changes
>> to the axis labels change the size of the interior plotting rectangle, so
>> you'd have to run the macro iteratively. There are some examples on my
>> web
>> site:
>>
>> http://peltiertech.com/Excel/Charts/SquareGrid.html
>>
>> - Jon
>> -------
>> Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP
>> Tutorials and Custom Solutions
>> http://PeltierTech.com
>> _______
>>
>>
>> "mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> > Another problem I found is that even when you scale it to a square, the
>> > default printing scheme will stretch to the page. To overcome this I
>> > had
>> > to
>> > go to print preview-setup-chart- and select "scale to page" instead of
>> > "fit
>> > to page".
>> >
>> > It seems silly that excel has many formulas, is routinely used to solve
>> > equations, yet can't make the scale on two axes equal. Where is the
>> > "engineer" in "computer engineer"?
>> > -mark
>> >
>> >> I would like it to be exact, however, I do appreciate this suggestion.
>> >> It
>> >> kind of boggles me that you can't just "lock the aspect ratio" of your
>> >> graph,
>> >> however, you can to draw a square.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "James Silverton" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > David wrote on Fri, 19 May 2006 22:10:35 +0100:
>> >> >
>> >> > ??>> "James Silverton" wrote:
>> >> > ??>>
>> >> > ??>>> mark wrote on Fri, 19 May 2006 12:35:02 -0700:
>> >> > ??>>>
>> >> > m>>>> The xy scatter chart seem to allow you to change the
>> >> > m>>>> scale on the x and y axis independently and then
>> >> > m>>>> automatically stretches the axis (x and y) to fit the
>> >> > m>>>> page. the result is that the graph is not true scale in
>> >> > m>>>> both directions.
>> >> >
>> >> > ??>>> But you can make the units of x and y the same and make
>> >> > ??>>> the chart area square by clicking on it and moving the
>> >> > ??>>> markers. I don't know how to do this automatically but I
>> >> > ??>>> can do it satisfactorily, IMHO, by eye. I suppose I could
>> >> > ??>>> hold a ruler to the monitor to make it more exact.
>> >> >
>> >> > ??>> I really need it to be exact. I've used the method of
>> >> > ??>> stretching the graph, but to get it correct, you do end up
>> >> > ??>> printing, measureing, adjusting, etc.
>> >> >
>> >> > DB> One trick is to use the rectangle drawing tool (with the
>> >> > DB> shift key) to daw a square, then adjust the scaling of the
>> >> > DB> chart (or stretch it) to match the gridlines to the square.
>> >> >
>> >> > That is a bit "tricky" but I just tried it and it can be done
>> >> > tho' you have to remember to set the scale height and width the
>> >> > same (probably 100%) when drawing the square if you want it to
>> >> > print correctly. I don't know if I could meet the criteria of
>> >> > exactness that the OP wants :-)
>> >> >
>> >> > James Silverton.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>>
>>
>>