+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 8 of 8

how to calculate irr on a life insurance policy (due in 40 minutes)

  1. #1
    Registered User
    Join Date
    01-28-2015
    Location
    florida
    MS-Off Ver
    2007
    Posts
    46

    how to calculate irr on a life insurance policy (due in 40 minutes)

    so i have a problem in excel where it gives me this info:

    premium payments in years 1-3 200,000
    premium payments in years 4-5 50,000
    distributions beginning yr 15
    # of distr 5
    amount 50,000

    Ending acct balance in yr 25 625,000

    how am i supposed to calculate the irr? what would the formula be?

    if someone answers this in half an hour ill be forever grateful

  2. #2
    Forum Expert
    Join Date
    06-26-2010
    Location
    Austin, TX
    MS-Off Ver
    Excel 2010
    Posts
    1,673

    Re: how to calculate irr on a life insurance policy (due in 40 minutes)

    Sorry, looks like this missed your deadline (homework?). Just type in your cash flows as they occur for each year 1 through 25 then use that range for your input to IRR. I got 9.59%
    Pauley
    --------
    If I helped with your issue, I'd appreciate a rep bump (hit the '*' icon to the bottom left of this post).

  3. #3
    Forum Expert
    Join Date
    05-01-2014
    Location
    California, US
    MS-Off Ver
    Excel 2010
    Posts
    1,795

    Re: how to calculate irr on a life insurance policy (due in 40 minutes)

    Quote Originally Posted by Pauleyb View Post
    Just type in your cash flows as they occur for each year 1 through 25 then use that range for your input to IRR. I got 9.59%
    I am curious to see exactly how you got 9.59%. Even if it is incorrect, I want to see how you derived the number, just for my edification.

    For 25 cash flows, I get about 1.1059% using Excel IRR. See the cash flow table below.

    [ERRATA] Removed misleading complications due to my misreading of the ending balance specification.

    Interesting note.... When using Excel IRR, it is important to write zero for years with no cash flow. If we leave those cells empty, Excel IRR does not count them as cash flows. Thus, Excel IRR would interpret them as 11 equally-spaced cash flows, not 25 or 26. Even then, the (incorrect) IRR is about 2.9135%, still not even close to 9.59% [sic].

    [ERRATA] Simplified presentation below.


    A B C D
    1 Yr CF IRR
    2 1 -200000 1.1059% =IRR(B2:B26)
    3 2 -200000

    4 3 -200000

    5 4 -50000

    6 5 -50000

    7 6 0

    8 7 0

    9 8 0

    10 9 0

    11 10 0

    12 11 0

    13 12 0

    14 13 0

    15 14 0

    16 15 50000

    17 16 50000

    18 17 50000

    19 18 50000

    20 19 50000

    21 20 0

    22 21 0

    23 22 0

    24 23 0

    25 24 0

    26 25 625000

    Last edited by joeu2004; 02-27-2015 at 01:49 AM. Reason: errata

  4. #4
    Forum Expert newdoverman's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-07-2013
    Location
    Port Dover, Ontario, Canada
    MS-Off Ver
    2010
    Posts
    10,330

    Re: how to calculate irr on a life insurance policy (due in 40 minutes)

    I'm no financial wizard but this is how I see the problem after reading the help file. I think that there is a very large area left open for interpretation....13 or 14 years of unknown activity.

    A
    B
    C
    1
    -200000
    2
    -200000
    3
    -200000
    4
    -50000
    1.0298%
    5
    -50000
    6
    0
    7
    0
    8
    0
    9
    0
    10
    0
    11
    0
    12
    0
    13
    0
    14
    0
    15
    0
    16
    0
    17
    0
    18
    0
    19
    0
    20
    50000
    21
    50000
    22
    50000
    23
    50000
    24
    50000
    25
    625000


    or something like this:
    A
    B
    C
    1
    -200000
    2
    0
    3
    -200000
    4
    0
    1.0974%
    5
    -200000
    6
    0
    7
    -50000
    8
    0
    9
    -50000
    10
    0
    11
    0
    12
    0
    13
    0
    14
    0
    15
    0
    16
    0
    17
    0
    18
    0
    19
    0
    20
    50000
    21
    50000
    22
    50000
    23
    50000
    24
    50000
    25
    625000
    <---------If you like someone's answer, click the star to the left of one of their posts to give them a reputation point for that answer.
    Ron W

  5. #5
    Forum Expert
    Join Date
    05-01-2014
    Location
    California, US
    MS-Off Ver
    Excel 2010
    Posts
    1,795

    Re: how to calculate irr on a life insurance policy (due in 40 minutes)

    Quote Originally Posted by fight2 View Post
    premium payments in years 1-3 200,000
    premium payments in years 4-5 50,000
    distributions beginning yr 15
    # of distr 5
    amount 50,000
    Ending acct balance in yr 25 625,000
    Quote Originally Posted by newdoverman View Post
    I'm no financial wizard but this is how I see the problem after reading the help file. I think that there is a very large area left open for interpretation
    [....]
    A
    B
    C
    1
    -200000
    2
    -200000
    3
    -200000
    4
    -50000
    1.0298%
    5
    -50000
    --
    --
    --
    --
    20
    50000
    21
    50000
    22
    50000
    23
    50000
    24
    50000
    25
    625000
    I agree that the frequency of the distributions (even the premium payments) is subject to interpretation.

    And that gives me some new ideas about how Pauleyb might have arrived at a different percentage. I'll experiment.

    But how did you interpret "beginning yr 15" to mean beginning in cash flow #20?(!)

    Quote Originally Posted by fight2 View Post
    or something like this:
    A
    B
    C
    1
    -200000
    2
    0
    --
    --
    --
    --
    7
    -50000
    8
    0
    --
    --
    --
    --
    20
    50000
    21
    50000
    22
    50000
    23
    50000
    24
    50000
    25
    625000
    How do you interpret the original facts to suggest zero cash flows between each premium payment and still have only 25 cash flows in total?

    The only way I can understand the first part is to treat the cash flows as half-year cash flows, since we know the premium payments are "in years 1-3" and "in years 4-5"

    But that would result in at least 50 cash flows (really 51, IMHO), since we know the ending balance is "in yr 25".

  6. #6
    Forum Expert newdoverman's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-07-2013
    Location
    Port Dover, Ontario, Canada
    MS-Off Ver
    2010
    Posts
    10,330

    Re: how to calculate irr on a life insurance policy (due in 40 minutes)

    The whole thing didn't make complete sense to me the way it was stated. Why you an investment have years of investment followed by a period of "no action" followed by payments followed by "no action". That year 15 seemed out of place. I couldn't make sense of it so what I posted was the best sense that I could make of the problem. Maybe I did something wrong when I placed the 5 payments at year 15 because I ended up with an error and when I put 0s between the payments. I just re-did it and it worked out to 1%. I must have entered an O instead of a zero.

    A
    B
    C
    1
    -200000
    1%
    2
    -200000
    3
    -200000
    4
    -50000
    5
    -50000
    6
    0
    7
    0
    8
    0
    9
    0
    10
    0
    11
    0
    12
    0
    13
    0
    14
    0
    15
    50000
    16
    0
    17
    50000
    18
    0
    19
    50000
    20
    0
    21
    50000
    22
    0
    23
    50000
    24
    0
    25
    650000


    Lumping the 50000s at row 15 on didn't change the outcome.
    As it stands, something tells me that there is an error somewhere...either in the problem statement or the interpretation of it.
    Last edited by newdoverman; 02-26-2015 at 10:42 PM.

  7. #7
    Registered User
    Join Date
    01-28-2015
    Location
    florida
    MS-Off Ver
    2007
    Posts
    46

    Re: how to calculate irr on a life insurance policy (due in 40 minutes)

    thanks guys. yeah it was for an interview. totally bombed it.

  8. #8
    Forum Expert
    Join Date
    06-26-2010
    Location
    Austin, TX
    MS-Off Ver
    Excel 2010
    Posts
    1,673

    Re: how to calculate irr on a life insurance policy (due in 40 minutes)

    Quote Originally Posted by joeu2004 View Post
    I am curious to see exactly how you got 9.59%. Even if it is incorrect, I want to see how you derived the number, just for my edification.

    For 25 cash flows, I get about 1.1059% using Excel IRR. See the cash flow table below.
    How did I get 9.59%? By mistyping the initial 3 year $200K deposits as $20k deposits. Whoops, sorry about that. Now that does not look like a great investment.

+ Reply to Thread

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 2
    Last Post: 02-07-2017, 03:47 PM
  2. Data Extraction for Insurance Policy
    By tim2011 in forum Excel General
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 10-11-2011, 09:17 AM
  3. How to Calculate Yield Rate for a insurance Policy
    By jacksonmathews in forum Excel General
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 06-18-2009, 09:01 AM
  4. Life Insurance - Top Payout
    By jackla12 in forum Excel General
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 08-23-2006, 07:40 AM
  5. How do I round to the nearest $250:life insurance policy
    By Dedrie in forum Excel Formulas & Functions
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 08-10-2005, 02:05 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 RC 1