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    Dropping Lowest Grade

    Hi! This is my first time on this forum, but I need some excel help for creating a gradebook!

    Basically, I have a list of quiz grades, some of which are 20 point quizzes, and some of which are 10 point quizzes. I need to drop the 3 lowest quiz scores, which I can do with this:
    SUM A2:A18 - SMALL A2:A18,1 - SMALL A2:A18,2 etc.

    But, I need to drop the corresponding total amount of points! So if I drop a 10 point quiz, i want to drop 10 points from the total, and if I drop a 20 point quiz, I need to drop 20 points from the total. Is there some kind of function that lets me drop 1 value and drop the corresponding same-row value in a different column? Hopefully my situation is clear, if not I will clarify until I find the answer!

    Thank you in advance for your time and help!!

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    Re: Excel 2010 - Dropping Lowest Grade

    Welcome to the Forum!

    How is your data organized? Do you have one column for the number of correct answers, and another for the corresponding value of points for that quiz?

    When you say you want to drop the lowest scores, do you mean the number of correct answers, or the total value of the quiz? That is, a score of 5 on a 20-point quiz is worth 10 points and therefore higher than a score of 6 on a 10-point quiz worth 6 points? Or is it lower because 6 correct answers is better than 5?

    (BTW I'm not quite understanding how you're using the formulas you showed to drop the 3 lowest scores.)

    As is often the case, it would be very helpful if you attached a sample workbook. Fortunately this forum allows uploaded attachments, and is fairly generous about size limits.
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    Re: Excel 2010 - Dropping Lowest Grade

    Maybe an array formula that removes ties so that duplicate scores don't cause the removal of the wrong test maxima.
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    Re: Excel 2010 - Dropping Lowest Grade

    Hi Guys!
    Thanks for the quick response! I'll attach the workbook so you can get an idea of what I'm talking about!

    So you can see the problem column is the "RATs" column on the far left. Some are worth 20, one is worth 19, and some are worth 10. I basically need to drop the three lowest "percentages", and then the remaining need to go into the 12% of the total grade. But when calculating how much of that 12% the student gets from RATs, I need the earned points/total points because the 10 point assignments contribute half as much to the grade as the 20 point assignments (if that makes sense). Hopefully with the spreadsheet it will make more sense... I find it's easier to explain in person and more difficult to explain with typing

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    Thanks for the formula and help, but I don't think it works exactly! If you remove the three lowest scores manually, you can see the difference. With the -SMALL function, it will remove the lowest number, and not necessarily the lowest percentage. So it removed the 4/10 instead of 5/20, and 4/10 is actually a higher percentage.
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    Re: Excel 2010 - Dropping Lowest Grade

    Here's a small update:

    I figured out somewhat of a solution using the SUMIF function. Basically, I set up SUMIF(PERCENT_COLUMN,SMALL(PERCENT_COLUMN,1),GRADE_EARNED_COLUMN).

    So it would look at the percent column, see a 0, go to the corresponding entry in the grade column, and add it for the first, second, and third smallest values. However, this seems to only work if each of the smallest values occurs once. So let's say I have a 3/10 and 3/10 as the first and second lowest grade. It'll give back 6/20, and 6/20 for the two entries. Hopefully that also makes sense... if anyone thinks they can figure this out (because they have significantly more excel experience than me, hopefully!), I would love to talk through an instant messaging program or something where we can communicate directly and quickly. Then I could post the solution up here (or you could) quickly!
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    Re: Dropping Lowest Grade

    I have noticed that when there are duplicate values of 'Score/Test Max' the RATs calculation can be different depending on which of the duplicate tests are omitted from the calculation.
    The attached doc has 4 tests that all yield a minimum 'Score/Test Max' value of 0.5...
    10/20, 10/20, 5/10 and 5/10.
    When the tests omitted are 5/10, 5/10 and 10/20 the RATs value is smaller than when the omitted test are 10/20, 10/20 and 5/10.
    For consistency I think that this effect should be considered.
    The attached doc's first sheet shows how the RATs could be calculated manually by sorting the 'Scores', 'Test Max' and 'Scores/Test Max' columns along with SUM formulas that omit the rows containing the three worst results.
    The other sheets show one way of doing the same with formulas.
    The second sheet ignores the effect of the omitted tests' maximum possible mark and so would produce inconsistent results when there are duplicates of the minimum value of 'Scores/Test Max'.
    The third sheet ensures that the RATs calculation is the greatest possible value when there are such duplicates.
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    Re: Dropping Lowest Grade

    I agree that helpers are certainly worthwhile here - you could (pending possibility of interspersed blanks etc) use single cell arrays but they would be complex & inefficient.

    If you don't have to worry about interspersed blanks (ie every entry has a number and Test Max always exceeds 0) then in single cell array terms:

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    Re: Dropping Lowest Grade

    Thanks for the help guys! I had to deprioritize this for a little bit to finish up some work, but when I get a free moment this week I'm going to try out what you posted. As always, I appreciate the help!

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    Re: Dropping Lowest Grade

    Attached doc show the two formula solutions from my previous post applied to your gradebook.
    The appropriate totals are in the yellow A22:B22.
    The RATs formula refers to these cells.
    Conditional formatting adds grey background to the column C cells with the RAT test names to make it easy to identify the omitted tests.
    Tie breaking had to be used in the second sheet formulas so that the test names could be identified.
    Helper columns are hidden.
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