Motorbike helmets...

Resistance is futile, you will conform!

Seriously though, those are some strict rules.

My mom says that I should always wear a helmet.

You should get a creative helmet so that people can either a) have something real to complain about or b) have something interesting to talk about.

Now now Bob, I'm not angry, I just refuse to take crap from fools and I'm dimly aware that most rules are made for fools with no common sense.

Rules are made for other people to follow, not me. Anyone who thinks that rules must be obeyed without question doesn't understand the question. If someone informs me a rule exists the first thing I want to know is what the penalty is for breaking it, if you're gonna break a rule then you must be prepared to accept the consequences. Hence why I rarely travel over 100mph....I'm willing to accept 3 points and a fine, I'm not willing to accept a ban.

If a pillock in a garage demands I take my helmet off I'm quite happy to go somewhere else. I will not be told what to do when the demand is unreasonable and made by a jobsworth with no intelligence.

Undoing the clasp, taking off my glassses and finding somewhere to put em down cos you can't take a lid off one handed, dragging the lid off my head.....and then it's all gotta go back on again. If it's winter and you're sealed in with scarfs it's even more of a faff.

Why driving a motorcycle if it is burdening your weak condition so heavily ?

Rules are made for other people to follow, not me

Huh? Who made you the Queen of Sheeba?

Do these same petrol/gas stations that demand you remove your helmet so they can see your face have the same requirement re moslem women wearing veils, etc???

Re BP A417
No excuse for an abrupt instruction with no please or thank you. If that's the first contact with you that's bad. But if I'm honest I think you're over egging the safety bit whilst sitting (not sat ) on your stationary bike. And a small pedantic point, if there's sand on the ground that's presumably to counter the effect of any diesel deposit. And was the diesel literally everywhere?

Re M4 Reading
I'm not a biker so what do I know. Except that it seems sensible that you shouldn't be astride your bike whilst filling in case you accidentally spilled petrol which might soak into your leathers or trousers. That's to avoid a problem for you. And if that were to happen there's a chance that some people astride a bike might just instinctively jump back and allow the bike to fall over thereby allowing the bike to deposit it's uncapped tank of petrol on the forecourt. That's a problem for others.
Just because you want to fill your tank up to the brim isn't the garage's problem. The rule, if there is such a rule, seems eminently sensible to me. And just as a matter of interest how significant is the difference in volume of petrol if the bike is canted over a few degrees. Is it really that significant and important to you?

Re Tesco.
Again no excuse for the tone apparently adopted by the guard. He should know better when addressing customers. But has it never struck you that those who want to rob petrol stations often do wear helmets. And just because you have a flip up lid doesn't avoid the point that a robber could simply flip down the lid at any moment. If, as I believe the reason for requiring helmets to be removed is so that ccTv can more easily identify potential robbers then it seems an eminently sensible rule that helmets are removed. All talk of fear of headbutting is I suggest irrelevant.

Are you always this angry?

Originally Posted by macropod

Do these same petrol/gas stations that demand you remove your helmet so they can see your face have the same requirement re moslem women wearing veils, etc???

I'm guessing not but that not really a valid argument imo. Women wearing Hijabs aren't known to be those that hold up gas stations are they? In fact, veiled women are probably more docile than most because (unfortunately) it's a part of their religion to be subservient (otherwise they wouldn't be covering up to the extremes that they are).

Bikers on the other hand, could easily roll into a station, fill up, and roll out without anyone knowing what they look like. I know a guy (who knew a guy ) that used to do the gas-and-dash thing with (easily) stolen plates. He'd wear a bandana, go get gas, and blast out like a bat outta he77.

@swoop, chalk it up to being a biker and at least you don't have to fill up very often.

If it's dangerous for bikers to be sans helmet on a garage forecourt what about all those helmetless drivers?

If you perceive every question as an 'order' you really have a problem.
Politeness (civility) is in the head of the beholder...

OK Swoop. post #17

That's enough. Please stop it now before this gets out of hand. You are now clearly breaching the forum rule about courtesy.

This topic just got amped up! Is that a typical like-response to the attendants that are told to enforce company policies?

Unfortunately, this seems to be a growing tendency,

I couldn't agree more!

Originally Posted by swoop99

The issue is it's a pain in the backside, a faff. Undoing the clasp, taking off my glassses and finding somewhere to put em down cos you can't take a lid off one handed, dragging the lid off my head.....and then it's all gotta go back on again. If it's winter and you're sealed in with scarfs it's even more of a faff. And since I've got an open face flip top helmet.....why the hell should I take it off?

Give me one good reason.


And in answer to your other questions, if someone's being a **** I'm gonna treat em like one.

wow, all I can say to that post - and to your attitude is...waaa. If you dont like it, and cant abide by their rules, take your business elsewhere, Im sure they couldnt care less

I had a 63 CH and got over 250 miles on a tank. The stupidest rule that I had to conform to was installing rear view mirrors on my handlebars - you couldn't actually use them as every image shook too much to discern. The legislators then made me put a cover on my front wheel??

ooh bikers..such rebels

Shortly after I was married, we needed a second vehicle and had no money to afford one. I bought a 90cc Honda and commuted 10 miles north each day, aluminum briefcase strapped to the rear seat.

One morning, I pulled up to the intersection of the main northbound drag (426 in Orlando), just catching the right turn as the light turned yellow. To my left were maybe 50 Harleys in two-abreast formation, some with two breasts in tandem, who fell in behind me as their light turned green.

What to do?

I moved to the center of the lane and put my feet on the handlebars.

Leader of the Pack.

It was 1968, I think, I was waiting for the light to turn green and about 50 bikers screamed up (they were riding Japs). While paused at the light they kept revving their motors - when the light turned, I just walked away from them - that was my moment

Originally Posted by shg

some with two breasts in tandem,

What to do?

I moved to the center of the lane and put my feet on the handlebars.

Leader of the Pack.

......

Women wearing Hijabs aren't known to be those that hold up gas stations are they? In fact, veiled women are probably more docile than most because (unfortunately) it's a part of their religion to be subservient

Not all women wearing Hijabs are necessarily wearing it for their religion, nor are they always women. In the news today, a woman was jailed for 12 years for dressing up in a Hijab as a disguise and throwing acid in her "friend's" face ... after an argument they had two years previously about looks. Talk about subservient.

And there are stories about men dressing up as women, complete with Hijab as a disguise ... an example that springs to mind:

Majid Tavakoli had tried to escape the security forces at the scene by "dressing up as a woman."

I moved to the center of the lane and put my feet on the handlebars.

If that had been me, I'd probably have fallen over

Originally Posted by TMS

Not all women wearing Hijabs are necessarily wearing it for their religion, nor are they always women. In the news today, a woman was jailed for 12 years for dressing up in a Hijab as a disguise and throwing acid in her "friend's" face ... after an argument they had two years previously about looks. Talk about subservient.

And there are stories about men dressing up as women, complete with Hijab as a disguise ... an example that springs to mind:

Of course I wasn't trying to imply that my statement was for all cases of the Hijab being worn, after all one cannot exclude outlier cases right?

Unfortunately, you can't make assumptions about a lot of things. I suspect the guidance that staff have is, "ask bikers to take off their helmets". Full stop. And it is unlikely to have a caveat that says, "unless he looks like a mild-mannered gentleman in an open-faced helmet, the face is completely exposed and he's posing for the camera".

my local pub had a no hoodie and no hat rule.. purely to keep out the baseball hat wearing crowd..but it was applied evenly men in their 60's ,women no one was allowed to wear a hat in the bar

I would be worried more if I had been asked to put a helmet on....