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    Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to duplicate the highest numbers. The formula is as follows and is used to give the 10 best scores from more than ten games played. =SUMIF(L3:AJ3,">="&LARGE(L3:AJ3,10)) This formula was created using Excel in Office Package 19.
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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    10 means nothing. What Excel PRODUCT do you want this to work with (O365, Excel 2021, 2019, etc, etc)? Please amend your profile appropriately.
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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    One guess, pending info on Excel product:

    =IFERROR(SUM(TAKE(SORT(TOROW(L3:AJ3,1),,-1,TRUE),10)),"")

    will work for O365.

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    Thanks heaps Glen the product is Excel in an Office 19 Package. Appreciate your help to date on this.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Hi Glen

    This just seems to give me the total score not the total of the top ten scores out of the games played or am I missing something??

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Cut your sample down to 10 rows and manually calculate your expected results.

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    the product is Excel in an Office 19 Package.
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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    A formula to sum the top 10.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Hi ther my friend

    This formula did not work is there anything else we could try??

    Thanks so much

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    What do your mean by top 10, is it a matter of the 10 highest scores in the line, or is it somehow related to the dates in row 2.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Hi

    Of the thirteen entries of scores achieved (which will go up weekly) I need to select the top ten of the 13 scores. I think the current formula adds up scores of similar value if they are of the highest score (line 145 on the spreadsheet is a typical example of the problem).

    Again, I do appreciate your help on this is I just cannot solve it (if it is at all possible)

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Yes, it does, the current formula adds up scores of similar value if they are of the highest score, is this a problem?
    Could you set an exemple of a few lines with expected results, for us to confirm that we on the right track? (5 rows...)
    Better yet, paint with color what should be counted, once we have a clear path to the desired result all is easier.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    #N/A #N/A 23.4 285 304 29 26 20 19 24 20 25 24 26 25 24 20 22


    this is one line that shows the problem and here is the formula we use it top ten is not 285

    =SUMIF(L161:AJ161,">="&LARGE(L161:AJ161,10))

    Can we fix this?

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    &LARGE(L161:AJ161,10)) gives you the tenth largest value. The SUMIF then totals all the values that are greater than or equal to that value.

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    Edit: the tenth largest value in this row is 20. So, SUMIF gives you all the values greater than or equal to 20. There are three 20s. So the score is 40 more than it should be.
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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    My formula adds only the 10 bigger scores

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    =SUM({29;26;26;25;25;24;24;24;22;20}) 20 only one time.

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    Your formula sum every score above 20, so it sums 20 two times more then my formula.

    Your formula result is 285
    My formula result is 245

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Hi Trev
    Thanks so much but that returns only the highest score from with the range, I need the total score of the ten highest scores. Surely is a tricky issue have we beaten Excel? I really hope there is a solution out there!!

    Thanks for your much appreciated assistance

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Hi
    I am not sure what is going wrong but when I drag the formula down into the next cells below it returns a single number of the highest score out of the ten not a total. Why is it different for me please

    This is driving me crazy and thanks for helping my mental state.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Regarding posts #17 and #18, guessing you need to Array-Enter (Commit) the formula with Ctrl-Shift-Enter rather than just Enter.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Thank you.

    Now, in the case of row 145, you have 11 matching items:

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    How do you want Excel to whittle this down? By value or by date?

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Hi Ali
    Done
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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Please now respond to post #20.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Hi Ali
    At the end of our Summer Golf Tournament prizes are given for Highest Score and also the highest best ten scores. I need, if at all possible, for excel to pick the top ten scores out of a possible 15-18 games and provide a total of those top ten. It appears to count duplicate scores and over inflates the results. DJ provide a result that seemed to work but when I copied and dragged down it just showed the highest score of the rows not a total of the ten highest. Not sure why it did that?
    Appreciate the need for rules and apologise for my previous angst and wish to thank you for any help you can give me.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Because there are 11 items that meet the criterion, so it's adding 11 scores, not 10.

    If you want it to add the most recent top 10, you can use this (but it won't ignore 0):

    =SUM(LARGE(IF((L3:AJ3<>"")*COLUMN(L3:AJ3)>=LARGE((L3:AJ3<>"")*COLUMN(L3:AJ3),10),L3:AJ3),{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10}))

    This needs entering as an array formula. I have done this for you in the attachment.

    To ignore 0 scores, use this:

    =SUM(LARGE(IF((L3:AJ3<>0)*COLUMN(L3:AJ3)>=LARGE((L3:AJ3<>0)*COLUMN(L3:AJ3),10),L3:AJ3),{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10}))

    I've added this version on the right.

    **Array formulas are not entered in the same way as 'standard' formulas. Instead of pressing just ENTER, you first hold down CTRL and SHIFT, and only then press ENTER. If you've done it correctly, you'll notice Excel puts curly brackets {} around the formula (though do not attempt to manually insert these yourself).
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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Please do as I asked (at Post 7). Cut the sample back to 10 rows and provide the expected answers, calculated manually. 23 Posts in and no-one fully understands what you are saying. Excel can do it... you just need to know what question to ask.

    Currently, we don't.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Let's see if post #24 has solved it first, then, if necessary, we can look at a smaller set of sample data.

    The problem is that the OP has not appreciated WHY the results are 'inflated' in some rows, so they won't have considered how they want to get round this. Hopefully one of the two suggestions above will suffice.

    DJ provide a result that seemed to work but when I copied and dragged down it just showed the highest score of the rows not a total of the ten highest. Not sure why it did that?
    You had dragged it down WITHOUT first entering it with CTRL+SHIFT+ENTER.
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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Simple Q.

    Which of the 15 values here should be added together to give your expected result.
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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    This question has already been asked in post #20, with slightly different wording. But I'll leave it to you now.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    I'm sure my solution is good, but I lost track of the need of CTRL+SHIFT+ENTER in older versions.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    I think it may be, but it depends on how the OP wishes to decide which of the values to use if there are more than 10.

    Anyway - let's wait and see.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Posts #15 and #16 solve the problem. They produce consistent/comparable results. Post #24 does not produce results consistent with the other two formulae, although the second version is close (perhaps data related?).

    Please see the updated sample file for comparison.
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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    The problem, Trevor, is that we don't yet know what the expected results are, so it's ALL guesswork!!!

    But my formulae are date-related, so they focus on values from the most recent matches. If that's NOT how the OP wants to do it (and we don't know yet), then the other formulae will be the answer. My formulae ARE consistent based on what they are intended to do.
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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    I have a feeling that the OP wants the sum of the highest 10 unique values... which is odd.

    Then, someone with 15 25s and nothing else would score 25...

    whereas someone else with 14 25s and a 26 would score 51.

    32 posts and not even the most basic definition of what is required....

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Given a set of numbers:
    20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 19 19 19 19 19 18 18 18 18 18 18 18

    The first 13 are all 20. Surely, the top 10 largest are all then 20, giving a total of 200?

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    @Glenn

    Yes - and there are at least THREE other ways of interpreting this. This is why sample workbooks should ALWAYS include expected results. Whatever it is would be far easier with Excel 365.
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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    The first 13 are all 20. Surely, the top 10 largest are all then 20, giving a total of 200?
    Yes, but what if we need to consider the most recent non-zero values, not the first 10? There's too much uncertainty here.

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    Yes, but what if we need to consider the most recent non-zero values, not the first 10? There's too much uncertainty here.
    Fair comment

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Hi Guys

    What an amazingly knowledgeable bunch of lovable nerds you are and thank you all so much for your help. I think Ali has resolved the issue and I apologise for the confusion my assistance has caused.

    Specifically, I needed the top 10 scores that a player completed over a possible 15-18 games and the problem was that Excel added scores that were part of the highest but of the same amount. This then gave a total of more than the 10 games.

    Again, you guys are amazing and I cannot thank you enough for your efforts to date.

    Till next time

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    You still haven't defined/explained all the rules that govern the selection. Is it the ten largest from the most recent 18 scores?

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Hi Ali
    Not sure if you are awake in the UK but it has not worked at all and now the results are pretty much incorrect. Is there a solution to this or should I just manually do the scores? A big ask from my end as it will be some 3000 calculations......can we fix this?

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Please try in J3 and copy down:
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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Not worked at all? I can't believe, that for such a simple problem, you have around 40 posts from at least 4 different 'gurus' and none of the suggested solutions has worked!

    Try this in J3 and drag down;

    =SUM(LARGE(L3:AJ3, {1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10}))

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    @Hans: see post #15:
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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    @GameChanger: your solution isn't really different to post #15 . . . which seems to have been discounted along with DJ's solution.

    And, to my mind, the OP has still not provided a definitive set of rules for the calculation or the manually calculated results.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Quote Originally Posted by Golfer2024 View Post
    Hi Ali
    Not sure if you are awake in the UK but it has not worked at all and now the results are pretty much incorrect. Is there a solution to this or should I just manually do the scores? A big ask from my end as it will be some 3000 calculations......can we fix this?

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    Just do the manual calculation for the sample file and we can try to provide a solution that matches them.

    "Doesn’t work" does not help anyone.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Quote Originally Posted by TMS View Post
    @GameChanger: your solution isn't really different to post #15 . . . which seems to have been discounted along with DJ's solution.
    And, to my mind, the OP has still not provided a definitive set of rules for the calculation or the manually calculated results.
    Agree! Might be a problem of implementation, reader than finding a solution.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    @Golfer2024: Thanks for the rep . Please help us to help you by manually calculating the results you expect for the sample file and explain your logic.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Quote Originally Posted by TMS View Post
    @Hans: see post #15
    Sry @Trevor, I overlooked post #15.
    Last edited by HansDouwe; 02-05-2024 at 02:58 AM.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    As others have said, it is time for you to provide a sample set with the following:

    1. A manual calculation on each row showing the result you expect.
    2. The cells highlighted that need to be included in the sum.

    Provide 10-20 rows of data and make sure to include some of those awkward lines such as row 145.

    "Doesn't work at all" is not going to help any of us to diagnose the issue and put it right.

    You also need to EXPLAIN in WORDS the logic that you wish to apply where there are MORE THAN 10 cells in the range that meet the top 10 criterion: this is the most important thing, along with the manually calculated results and highlighted cells.

    It's over to you now. Provide what we have asked for.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Golfer, please stop messing around with meaningless phraes like "it doesn't work" and provide some expected results, as requested MULTIPLE times by MULTIPLE helpers here.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Quote Originally Posted by TMS View Post
    @GameChanger: your solution isn't really different to post #15 . . . which seems to have been discounted along with DJ's solution.

    And, to my mind, the OP has still not provided a definitive set of rules for the calculation or the manually calculated results.
    Well there is one BIG difference. In earlier versions, post # 15 must be entered with CSE, mine doesn't require that.

    As he has already said post #15 did NOT work and I'm not confident what version he has, I thought that just may be the issue.
    Last edited by AliGW; 02-05-2024 at 06:52 AM. Reason: Unnecessary dig at the OP removed. Keep it polite and supportive, please.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Guys - can we ALL just WAIT now until the OP has provided what was requested specifically in post #50. Arguing amongst ourselves is not going to help and is only going to cloud the issue further.

    Thanks.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    @GameChanger: not arguing But your profile says you are using 365 . . . so you won't ever need to CSE a formula. Nor do I. But the OP may have to. If you look at the file I uploaded, you'll probably see that none of the formulae are array-entered. And other than Ali's, they all produce the same results.

    To be fair, I can’t test it because I am away from home and I don't have access to an old version of Excel.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    There's no point in testing ANYTHING until we know what the OP really wants.

    I have asked everybody please to refrain from responding here until we get the workbook we have asked for from the OP. Please don't ignore this request. Thank you.

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    Guessing we might have frightened the OP off .

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    I'm not surprised, with over 50 responses to such a simple question.

    All this chat about numbers not being the same, then picking the 10th largest and summing every number >= to that, no wonder he's given up.

    What is so hard about summing the top ten scores?

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    Re: Formula produces wrong result of top ten scores as it appears to dupicate the highest

    If the OP has been frightened off by a polite and clear request in post #50 to provide annotated data and expected results, then so be it. If he has taken offence to some of the less polite and unnecessarily sarcastic comments in this thread, then that is a shame.

    I've asked repeatedly for members not to comment again until the OP provides what we need. If ANY member continues to ignore my instruction, then I shall remove their posts until that information from the OP has been forthcoming.

    What is so hard about summing the top ten scores?
    Because that solution was rejected as wrong by the OP early in the thread. Please stop the finger pointing. Everybody here is doing their best to work out EXACTLY how the OP wants this to work. That still is not clear.
    Last edited by AliGW; 02-07-2024 at 04:00 AM.

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