I think the forum gurus should be prominently identified by having their names appear in a unique color.
The admins names appear in black font and the mods names appear in green font. The guru names should appear in a unique color.
What do you think?
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wow only after looking really closely did I see that my name is in green, compared to Tony's name in blue. The difference, on my screen here at work, is so slight I did not even notice until you pointed it out
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I am at work - and we have a tv here - and...no loss LOL. they have rush hour 3 actually lol
I can find out if another color is possible. A good suggestion, though.
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Well at least the admins stand out :p
Perhaps a nice purple. Or white? White's a good color on a white background.
LOL i like that 1, Paul, wht on wht
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How about a bold red?
Last edited by Tony Valko; 12-16-2013 at 10:33 AM.
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but what would be the purpose of highlighting our names? so that OP can see who's online & PM us to look at their problems? but you disallow PMs, Tony!
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What's the purpose of highlighting admin or mod names?Originally Posted by benishiryo
They can see that you're online no matter what color your user name is (unless you use invisible mode like I do).so that OP can see who's online & PM us to look at their problems?
If being a "guru" is a prestigious achievement then I feel we should be prominently identified as such.
Yeah, I'm smart like that!but you disallow PMs, Tony!
when i have technical problems, i usually look at the main page below & see which Admin/Mods are online. OPs can see us all online, but they are unable to identify who are the admins/mods/Gurus. so it makes it easier when theirs are coloured. =)
that's my take on the colouring. i'm not sure if it's done because it's a prestigious achievement, but you might be right~
Yes, that's the reason why gurus should be highlighted also.
An OP might look to see who's online and feel they have a better chance at getting a robust solution when there are identified gurus, mods, admins online.
The first thing I do after I login is I look to see who's online.
The admins and mods are easy to spot because their names are in different colors and stand out. I think the gurus should also be easy to spot by having their names highlighted in some color.
for a steelers fan, you make a lot of sense, Tony
This has been implemented. A bolder blue for the forum gurus.
Tony,
Since your arguments in favour of this change appear to be based upon general considerations, and the benefit of the forum as a whole - and seemingly independent of your own forum status - why weren't you pushing for this particular change prior to your becoming a Forum Guru?
Regards
won't help much if all the gurus are invisible, will it?
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English not being my mother tongue,I lack the words to express my feelings about this sentence. Does this mean that those who are not gurus are idiots and incapable of finding a robust solution? ( admin and mod being an administrative job does not imply they are better than anyone else for providing help).
I find such an allegation insulting especially from someone answering the way you do, Tony. Perhaps we should open a couple of sub-forums like " Answers by retarded" and " answers by geniuses" ?
Honestly?! I,ve had the same thought since I had seen it!
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I thought that only me was the bad quy here..
I was thinking of adding " Vanitas vanitatum et omnia vanitas", but then again, TMS will get mad at me for quoting Latin
@ arlu...
Excellent!
Looks good and does what was intended.
@ Ford...
That's how I roll!
@ XOR...
I've wondered why this wasn't applied since the day I joined this forum.
I just finally got up the "nerve" to inquire about it.
@ Pepe...
You're way off the mark!
Honestly, I can't understand why anyone would be against this.
The forum guru color tag was applied just to differentiate the gurus but it in no way undermines the effort put in by the others. I hope we do not get a request to put a color for VFC and for FC too, then we will have the main page looking like a children's bday party
I just asked the tech team based on this request to check if its possible and they tried it out successfully. However, if majority feel this is going to create a drift between the various user-groups we have, we would be glad to be rid of it. We should be together as one forum, not divided by color codes.
@ JoesphP...
Yeah, that's a possibility.
Seems you can't do anything around here without ruffling someone's feathers!
And after reading some of the replies you can see why it's "dangerous" to express yourself!
I just finally got up the "nerve" to inquire about it.
No matter how innocent your intentions, someone will be enraged!
I'm trying to be enraged but I haven't got the energy today
FWIW, Tony I think it's a great idea, +Rep - to me it's just additional information, how people use or interpret that information is up to them
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If you feel that saying that gurus provide more robust answers than other members, thereby implying their answers are worth less, I don't appreciate it and several other members were also offended. And you don't seem to have read that in my post which you interpreted freely as being against the coloring of guru names.Seems you can't do anything around here without ruffling someone's feathers!
I hadn't given it any thought, I was laughing too hard.
I don’t know this is a bad idea or too funny
In the main forum under who is online or somewhere more suitable, have a legend what does these colors mean? So new users can easily identify what these colors means.
I never think/thought colored users are best on this forum & providing best answers. It just for identify the colors, just like used in graph
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nope, not a chance to be the only one...or do not be so selfish! lolI thought that only me was the bad quy here..
@ Tony, i hear you on this...
Im sure your intention was not to discriminate, nor to suggest that non-guru's etc are all any less skilled than guru's. 1 of the biggest problems with written communication is that we cannot here the sound of a voice or see the expression used when giving the info, so we cannot always judge the intentSeems you can't do anything around here without ruffling someone's feathers!
FDibbins, congratulations for trying to moderate the thread, but I'm sure of the contrary. You only have to read Tony's posts to feel his condescending tone. ( not only in this thread)
Pepe, I understand your concern and how you feel
I was born in England, grew up and spend most of my life in South Africa (37 years), and have lived in USA for the past 11 years. I have given up counting the times when I have said something meant as a joke, only to find that many people here too offence to what I said. I have found the reverse to be true as well, where I have been upset by something someone said, only to find out that they meant nothing by it.
Different cultures "hear" things in different ways, and it is sometimes better to try and clarify exactly what was meant by a comment. I took that particular comment to mean, that if a newbie joins, they are more likely to pay attention to a member with 5000 posts, than 1 with only 5, for example...even if the member with only 5, is in fact a newly joined excel MVP, and the 5000-post member has been here for 10 years and not really answered a question.
@FDibbins, I understand very well your reply and yes, you are right! ...but you do not say anything about color, which is the purpose of it?
It is just a way of identifying *some* of the levels in the forum. Even if a new member does not know the difference between a *blue* name and a *green* name, they tend to stand out and catch the eye a little better than if we all had the same color.
To be honest though, until Tony mentioned it when he started this thread, I had never really even noticed that
Still think this color thing is discrimination between the "geniuses" and the common folks.
I know, I know, I saw something similar in Tony's post! ...I was expecting to "repaint" it! lol
Im sure that there are some that would agree with you Pepe, just as Im equally sure that there are some that think it is a good idea - and others that couldnt care less either way (cant please em all, as they say lol)
I think it is useful to be able to identify the Administrators and Moderators more easily, although, unless you know what the colour codes mean it probably isn't that much value. It's probably less important to identify Gurus ... they can only answer questions like anyone else. They can't "fix" things, so what difference does it make?
Tony has made a suggestion and, with a few poorly chosen words, has offended some of the regular contributors. Which is a shame. Nothing wrong with the suggestion, although I'd be one sitting on the fence, even though I do quite like the colour blue. Personally, I don't think it's a great idea and, had there been a poll, I'd probably have voted "no" or abstained. Interesting that the change was implemented so quickly. Praise be it hasn't brought the site down
It takes a while to earn Guru status, but it's clear that new members join and bring with them a wealth of knowledge and experience. They may well be much more knowledgeable and experienced than the existing Gurus ... and that is not meant to offend any of them, just stating a fact. I see some amazing answers to questions from people relatively new to the board and I cannot thank them enough for teaching me new tricks.
The suggestion that Gurus may offer better solutions was perhaps badly thought through? It'd be nice to think so, but there's a lot to know and I suspect very few people know it all.
So, maybe we should all take a step back and accept that no slur was intended, despite the way it may have come across. And that we are all here with the objective of helping each other and the forum.
Regards, TMS
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I'm in favor of more information-I propose that all forum experts who have declined the guru offer should be highlighted in pink. this is of course only to let people know not to nominate us again and not just because I like pink :-)
Josie.I like Pink color!
Faint strains of "red and yellow and pink and green, orange and purple and blue, I can sing a rainbow" ...
hmm...
Fotis1991 or Fotis1991
lol
Both are ok...!hmm...
Fotis1991 or Fotis1991
lol
If I have offended anyone I apoligize.
That was absolutely not my intention.
Thanks to FDibbins for attempting to explain what was meant.
In the future I shall keep my suggestions/opinions to myself.
Last edited by Tony Valko; 12-18-2013 at 10:10 AM.
@ Pepe...
To show you how wrong you are I will give you my Guru title if the powers that be are OK with it.
Pepe is one of them that did't accepted the Guru title a long time ago...and the Mod title a very long time ago...
Tony, Im sure we all greatly value your opinions and suggestions - I know I sure do. Like I said before, sometimes things just get taken the wrong way
Thank you very much Tony, but I already asked to stay VFC, my Excel skills are not good enough...
Let's call it quits - Cheers
All these Contradiction / Conflicts just makes me to think about a formula created with a circular reference and a sheet change event without turning off the events.
"In the future I shall keep my suggestions/opinions to myself."
But why would you do that?
Rather, like everyone else on the forum, you are at liberty to express your opinion as freely as you wish. But with that freedom must come the acknowledgment that not everyone may agree with that opinion (perhaps even be offended), and, that being the case, it could be argued that the appropriate and considered response might not be one which dismisses those objections as groundless, unjust attacks on an innocent:
"Seems you can't do anything around here without ruffling someone's feathers!"
"No matter how innocent your intentions, someone will be enraged!"
but rather to engage with the objectors and attempt to find out what caused the offence in the first place.
To respond in the first instance that anyone who objects to your suggestion is necessarily "enraged" or had their "feathers ruffled" is to immediately devalue that person’s opinion before any proper debate has taken place, an action which, if anything, is only likely to exacerbate matters.
Regards
I've been a bit too busy to log on much in the last couple of days, so I missed this thread. I did notice as soon as I logged on today, though, that my name had changed to bright blue, and thought that was a nice change (wasn't sure if it was IE 11 playing up again, at first). I see that it has been quite controversial, which I'm sure Biff (Tony) did not intend, but I quite like it now that it has been done.
(My 2p's worth)
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Amen to that!
I just find it humorous that, at the moment, half of the eight Forum Gurus logged into the site have "invisible mode" on. Including the person who started this thread so that Gurus would be easier to spot.
:P
I'm going visible!
The above is not a suggestion nor an opinion. It's simply a statement of fact!
Nice one !
so forum gurus get immediate action and the rest of us can go whistle? guess I shoulda said yes to the offer...
Not sure what that relates to or what it means.so forum gurus get immediate action and the rest of us can go whistle?
Yes, you probably shoulda. The offer was in recognition of your ability and your contribution. And I doubt you would find it difficult to meet the guidelines set down to retain the status.guess I shoulda said yes to the offer...
JosephP,
As i mentioned before, it was done on a trial basis. I had asked the tech team to check if its possible. Since it was, it got implemented.
If its going to create animosity among all the members, we can have it removed.
As it was so easy to implement, why not have colour coding for ALL the levels?
Pete
IMO, it would be better to remove the forum guru color code if its creating so much of a ruckus.
It wouldnt be advisable to see a rainbow of colors on the home page. People would be checking on the colors and who is at what level rather than assisting others or posting questions.
Agree with that and also i didn't see any comments for Tms opinion in post#45, which is also my opinion.
I think it is useful to be able to identify the Administrators and Moderators more easily, although, unless you know what the colour codes mean it probably isn't that much value. It's probably less important to identify Gurus ... they can only answer questions like anyone else. They can't "fix" things, so what difference does it make?
I'd like each letter of my name in a different colour, I think that would look nice
Trevor,
my mom always said I talk too fast and think too slow. as usual she was right :-)
Whilst I welcome, and am fascinated by, the continued input from the more regular forum contributors on this matter (74 posts now!), since this whole debate began with the (rather contentious, as it turns out!) premise that:
"An OP might look to see who's online and feel they have a better chance at getting a robust solution when there are identified gurus, mods, admins online."
it would seem appropriate to also consider the opinions of these ‘OPs’ (i.e. first-time or infrequent visitors to the forum) - whose very motives are assumed in this statement - on the actual degree of attention they pay to the 'status' of those who are online at any given time.
Would the forum consider implementing such a poll, the results of which could then be added to this whole debate and used as a basis for upholding/overruling the current decision?
Regards
What do you think we're running here, a Democracy? If so, we'll need a Forum Czar, stat.
Does anybody really consider that a new OP, or even an experienced OP, is going to look at who's on-line, assess their capability to address a problem and think, "shall I post this problem now, come back later, or shall I go somewhere else where there's a better selection of 'gurus'". I don't think so, somehow.
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I actually like the new color for Forum Gurus.
Not that it should indicate that they are more knowledgeable than a new Forum Member, but that they have earned it, and that they have also accepted the conditions, rules and responsibility that goes along with such status.
No offence to any other status levels!
To those who have declined Forum Guru status, you have done so out of your own free will, and I am sure you are also mature enough to accept certain exclusions as what might be applicable to any status level/s.
@ arlu1201,
I don't think you should change the color back to what it was before.
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Could you please provide a link to the enumeration of these conditions, rules, etc..., I must have lost it - Thx
Hello Pepe Le Mokko,
Please see this link.
http://www.excelforum.com/the-water-...n-ef-guru.html
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Thank you very much
Hello Pepe Le Mokko,
You are welcome.
Thank you for your thank you.
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I'm color blind...didn't notice that Mods and Admins were a color different from all the rest of us...however, I CAN see the Guru color simply because it's so BOLD
When a Thread Post has Yellow Font I can't read the text. When a Thread Post has Red or Green Font I can read the text but have no clue it's in Red or Green
Bottom line...the Color Coding is meaningless to me...'cause I'm Color Blind...
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@ jaslake,
My friend, if you Can see any color if it is in bold, why not invest in a pair of glasses that reads only in "Bold"?I'm color blind...didn't notice that Mods and Admins were a color different from all the rest of us...however, I CAN see the Guru color simply because it's so BOLD
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@ Winon
Well, this is not the caseand, I didn't know such things existedif you Can see any color if it is in boldWhere do I buy such a pair?invest in a pair of glasses that reads only in "Bold"
reaction of a Low Class member,
this was the best qualification untill now.
Colors aren't that important.All these Contradiction / Conflicts just makes me to think about a formula created with a circular reference and a sheet change event without turning off the events.
@bsalv,
I honestly believe that this Forum don't have "Low Class" members. Maybe some relatively new members who have not yet earned a higher ranking. So please don't regard yourself as "Low Class".reaction of a Low Class member
How dull would life be without some color?Colors aren't that important
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