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    Problem comparing differing numerical ranges

    Hello

    Thanks for your time in reading this.

    I have two separate data sets of marks that have been processed via differing assessment schemes and are therefore of different numerical ranges to one anothe; one in the nineties on average and another in the seventies on average.

    What I am trying to do is devise a manner by which Group 1 can be analysed and in turn find the respective comparitive mark between both ranges. So there is a comparitive mark input into Column C relating to Column A/Group 1 which is comparible with Column B/Group 2.

    For example, if a cell in Group 1 has an average of 97 and Group 2 an average of 76 the comparitive average from Group 1 to 2 would be 75 for example.

    Hope that makes sense. Data sheet attached if that helps.

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    Re: Problem transposing differing data sets for comparitive purposes

    Please explain your logic and, in the workbook, add 10-15 rows of MANUALLY CALCULATED results to show what you want. Thanks.

    HOW do you get 75???

    Why are you talking about transposition in your thread title? I can't see how this has anything to do with transposing data. Sorry, confused!!!
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    Re: Problem transposing differing data sets for comparitive purposes

    Hi AliGW

    Thanks for your reply. Apologies if transposing was the wrong word.

    The '75' mentioned was a fictional example and not based on anything within the sheet - it was just to serve as an example, albeit maybe poorly worded, of what I was after.

    The other point made about calculating results, manually or otherwise, is that I (sadly) cant at the moment seem to find a manner by which I could replicate the values in Group 1 into corresponding cell values for Group 2.

    The closest I've come is regarding an overall average; taking the average of both groups and multiplying Group 1 by 0.79 which still doesnt equal a close enough match. An overall group average comparison figure would more than be ok if you're able to help however.

    The main function of this is to be able to have a comparitive overall average figure for Group 1 in relation to Group 2.

    I have attached a revised sheet if this helps - Cell F2 is where a functioning manner of calculation is needed. Thanks for your time once again, any assistance greatfully received.
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    Re: Problem comparing differing numerical ranges

    Sorry - I still don't understand what you are trying to do, or why you have multiplied one number by 0.79.

    Are you able please to articulate the purpose of all this? Are you perhaps trying to SCALE a range of marks? Marks I get (I am a retired teacher), but what you are trying to do with these is still (I am sorry to admit) eluding me.

    I think you are going to need to give more: what are the two mark ranges out of? Group one out of 100? Group 2 out of ???
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    Re: Problem comparing differing numerical ranges

    The 0.79 multiplication was the manual calculation I did to see if the group 1 average could be scaled to the average of Group 2. It's not of relevence.

    It could well be scaling that I am trying to do. However the manner by which this can be exercised, I dont have the expertise to carry out.

    Hopefully this helps in terms of explaining further;

    What is being attempted to be carried out is to be able to compare group marking averages with one another irrespective of their differing assessment schemes. So if for example, Group 1 average is 80 how does this translate to a Group 2 average given the differing range of marks.

    The two mark ranges are out of 100 however given the numerical grouping of both sets of marks group 1 will often be between 85 and 100 with group 2 being between 60 and 85 so it is not directly comparable. This is where I was looking for a solution to allow for this to be possible.

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    Re: Problem comparing differing numerical ranges

    I see. Right, let me have a quick think.

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    Re: Problem comparing differing numerical ranges

    No. I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to do. what should your expected result look like??? a number, 10 numbers? a range???
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    Re: Problem comparing differing numerical ranges

    I am no mathemetician (I taught MFL!), but I think this will calculate the equivalent average for the second group:

    =SUMPRODUCT(B2:B22*MAX(A2:A22)/MAX(B2:B22))/COUNT(B2:B22)

    This is based on a scaling of Group 2 marks to match the range of marks in Group 1.

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    97.32
    76.87
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    95.56
    Sheet: Sheet1

    If it is accurate (need a maths wizard to check my logic), it seems to suggest that the scaled average for Group 2 is around 2% lower than Group 1.

    This may all be horribly flawed, though ...

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    Re: Problem comparing differing numerical ranges

    Hello AliGW

    That very much seems to fit in terms of logic, thank you ever so much! Especially also for your patience initially whilst the issue was being explained.

    One further question however, I have more marks in group 2 than group 1; is there an aspect of te formula I can alter to account for this? Currently when altering the formula (below) for my spreadsheet i get the #VALUE error.

    =SUMPRODUCT(A2:A59*MAX(B2:B754)/MAX(A2:A59))/COUNT(A2:A59)

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    Re: Problem comparing differing numerical ranges

    Is there any TEXT anywhere in the range in A2:A59??

    This bit:
    =SUMPRODUCT(A2:A59*MAX(B2:B754)/MAX(A2:A59))/COUNT(A2:A59) will fall over if there is text (or a number that looks like text) present in the column A cells

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    Re: Problem comparing differing numerical ranges

    Thanks Glenn, there was an empty cell that was causing the issue.

    Also, would you mind explaining the logic behind the formula for my own knowledge? Thanks for your help

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    Re: Problem comparing differing numerical ranges

    Sorry, one last question - I attempted to also input the formula to focus on an average based on Group 2 but got a rather high number compared to the average which is slight unnerving. Focusing on this method - is it still the same formula to be input albeit with the relevent columns switched?

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    Re: Problem comparing differing numerical ranges

    If you want to do it the other way around, you need to change it from this:

    =SUMPRODUCT(A2:A59*MAX(B2:B754)/MAX(A2:A59))/COUNT(A2:A59)

    to this:

    =SUMPRODUCT(B2:B59*MAX(A2:A754)/MAX(B2:B59))/COUNT(B2:A59)

    I think.

    Please do mark the thread as solved once you are happy.

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    Re: Problem comparing differing numerical ranges

    Thank you, marked as solved also!

    Would you mind explaining the logic of this formula to me? It would help my understanding as to how it functions.

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    Re: Problem comparing differing numerical ranges

    So in each case, to scale a score, we are doing the following:

    1. Multiply the scores for the group (e.g. Group 1) by the MAX score in the other group (e.g. Group 2).
    2. Divide this by the MAX score for the group (e.g. Group 1). This has now scaled the scores.
    3. Divide the result by the number of pupils in the group (e.g. Group 1) to find the scaled average.

    If you want to scale the other way, simply invert everything (e.g. Group 1 becomes Group 2 and vice versa).

    Generally speaking, if you want to convert any score, you follow this process. For example, if I want to take a score out of 10 and scale it to a score out of 15, I do the following:

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    So you multiply by the score you want it to be out of and divide by the score it was out of originally.
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